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Old 12th April 2003, 01:19 AM
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Today at 04:36 AM WinAce said this in Post #20

You did read the "background info on coprolites" links I posted, didn't you?

Suffice it to say that coprolites ARE fossilized. Heck, there's even an entire industry that sells fossilized dung as gag gifts...


Look is the guy who told us about Satan's dinosaurs right?  Here's theory for the YECs, Satan's dinosaurs had poop that was already fossilized and looked dried out. I mean, they were Satan's so anything is possible.  Further they were able to run around during the flood in dinosaur scuba gear and deposit their poop in various layers to fool people into thinking the world had not been underwater when they pooped.  They also made those dinosaur tracks we see while they were at it. Since they were Satan's dinosaurs they could easily make tracks under water that appear to have been made on dry land.  They were also meat eaters, something Look already tried out to solve the problem that the coprolites from meat eaters make for those who believe there were no carnivores before the flood.  It's really not much more ridiculous than the explanations we already get for so many flood problems. Maybe I should change my name and write a YEC book using this theory. I'll bet I could make big bucks as a new YEC spokesman using Satan's dinosaurs to solve all those flood problems starting with coprolites.  Watch out Kent Hovind and Carl Baugh.  Here I come.

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Umm, why are all the topics falsifying the flood and providing evidence for evolution being ignored?
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um.... tell me why i am wrong...

Couldn't some of the coprolite be burried before the flood and get old, and THEN be redistributed by the flood accross the strata?

It's not like every coprolite just sits on top of the earth and gradually gets swallowed by the advancing strata?

Have you ever seen a half buried coprolite?

So... this means that any coprolite found intact in starta must have been burried pretty quickly for the shape to be preserved. If it was burried quickly, wouldn't that alter how it aged, and also how it behaved in a flood?


a much better proof would be that only coprolite from the relevant animals is found in each strata... because if coprolite was just like random all over the place, you would know that it was not distributed by just being burried along with that periods dead animals...

So where are you finding this coprolite? Statisticly is it in the right places to support the creeping strata theory?

 

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[b]Yesterday at 11:14 PM pete5 said this in Post #25

Couldn't some of the coprolite be burried before the flood and get old, and THEN be redistributed by the flood accross the strata?
Probably not. If the flood was powerful enough to tear open the rocks around a fossil, it would pound the coprolite itself into bits. But even if by some miracle (!) this actually happened, they would be sorted by hydrodynamic properties.

Coprolites with cracks (and subsequently air) inside are like poumice stone - they float more readily than solid pieces of dung. We would therefore expect them to be at the very top of the strata, along with coprolites containing light plant matter and hollow flier bones.

This isn't what we find. Cracked coprolites are found throughout the layers. Plant-containing coprolites are found throughout the layers. Coprolites containing heavy bits of solid bone and even ROCK are found throughout the layers.

Gizard stones (flat rocks that reptiles swallow to help them grind food in their stomaches) are found throughout the layers as well, wherever there are reptiles or birds, whereas they should sink like a rock and only occupy the lowest layer if the flood occured.

Finally, a flood would likely transport coprolites a large distance, whereas we have regions (such as that of the Madagascar turtle, mentioned in my first post) where similar coprolites are found throughout the layers and are even being deposited today.

Turtles lay dung ashore. It fossilizes. We find exactly the same type of fossil in older strata at the same location going millions of years back The obvious conclusion is...?

It's not like every coprolite just sits on top of the earth and gradually gets swallowed by the advancing strata?
Some get swept away by turbulent floods or mudslides and break up, some are used by insects and other scavengers, and some dry out and flake away. Others are buried and fossilize.

Have you ever seen a half buried coprolite?
I suspect that erosion may expose one aboveground after millions of years... why do you ask?

So... this means that any coprolite found intact in starta must have been burried pretty quickly for the shape to be preserved. If it was burried quickly, wouldn't that alter how it aged, and also how it behaved in a flood?
Probably not.


a much better proof would be that only coprolite from the relevant animals is found in each strata... because if coprolite was just like random all over the place, you would know that it was not distributed by just being burried along with that periods dead animals...
Coprolites from period-specific animals are found in the right strata. It's just that it's hard to identify specifically what animal laid what dung from a fossil unless you have lots of information on the animal and its feeding habits already. For example, there's a huge T-Rex coprolite containing pieces of Triceratops bone. We know it belongs to T-Rex because (1) it has reptilian features and (2) we know of no other large reptile at the right time and place to lay it.

So where are you finding this coprolite? Statisticly is it in the right places to support the creeping strata theory?
Yes. They're found in the exact right places. This link is a good read.
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Just bumping this for the new round of creationists saying geologic evidence can be "easily interpreted" into the YEC view. Come on, let's see how well your "easy interpretations" stack up to reality.
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