Creation vs Evolution

cornetto · #1 8th April 2003, 07:12 AM

I was reading through constant bickering about who is right and
who is wrong about the origin of man. Darvin formalized it, but I
believe this mentality must have originated after the advent of
mechanistic thinking brought along by Rene Descartes in the 17th
Century.  If we can break something down into its parts and
understand them, then we can put it back together and
understand the whole. 

Look at quantum physics, biology, physical science.  Each does
just this.  Going back to the origin of man, lets just say that they
are in fact the two absolutes for argument sake, and we each
have chosen our own belief - one of the two.  What then?  What
do we have.  Inner peace, an argumentative position, a political
front, a majority, a minority, what?  It would seem that if you
wanted to answer the question, with faith (required of either), of
where did we come from, you would also be concerned with the
question of why are we here?  However, this seems less important.

Arikay · #2 8th April 2003, 07:52 AM

Well, in the view of science, we know more about how the world works. Knowing more about how the world works is important one thing that it can have direct changes on is medicine.

Aceldama · #3 8th April 2003, 09:56 AM

I think it is wonderful that we have science, practically everything you see before your eyes is due to the scientific method. Using science in fields such as biology can help humans live longer and happier lives by improving medicine and other treatments (thanks Darwin!). Without basic physics we wouldn't even have the wheel!

It seems that science is a desperate search for what IS. Until we become gods science will not continue to cease questioning, unless creationism takes over that is, as according to creationists they practically believe they know the origin of everything and why everything is how it is in the universe...why bother researching? GODDIDIT!

BTW I didn't exactly understand what the original poster was asking.

JohnR7 · #4 8th April 2003, 11:08 AM

Today at 08:56 AM Aceldama said this in Post #3  Using science in fields such as biology can help humans live longer and happier lives by improving medicine and other treatments (thanks Darwin!). 

Darwin had nothing to do with "improving medicine". Zip, Zero, Zilch, nothing. My dad use to collect autographs of famous people who contributed to the field of medicine. Actually we still have them all somewhere. You will even find wierdos in there like Fraud and Spook. But there is no Darwin, because Darwin contributed nothing to medicine as we know it today.

fragmentsofdreams · #5 8th April 2003, 11:28 AM

Quantum physics actually makes being a theist more intellectually satisfying because it destroys the clockwork universe that deists inferred from Newtonian mechanics. Quantum physics allows God to act without violating the laws of physics (which He could do if He chose).

Arikay · #6 8th April 2003, 04:41 PM

Um, that would make sense if Darwin was the end all in evolution. But he isnt. However, he did set us on the right path, that then lead to these discoveries.

Many of the studies that support evolution, also help in medicine, like gene mutations and how virus's adapt. Some of the same science that supports evolution might help us find a cure for SARS or any number of other diseases out there.

Today at 07:08 AM JohnR7 said this in Post #4

Darwin had nothing to do with "improving medicine". Zip, Zero, Zilch, nothing. My dad use to collect autographs of famous people who contributed to the field of medicine. Actually we still have them all somewhere. You will even find wierdos in there like Fraud and Spook. But there is no Darwin, because Darwin contributed nothing to medicine as we know it today.

Follower of Christ · #7 8th April 2003, 04:57 PM

Science is not the problem.

The problem is when christians say that because something cannot be scientifically tested that there is no way God did it in the manner He states.
Thereby taking miraculous powers from Him and making Him more of a spectator than God.

Study of His creation is fine.

Denying Him the ability to perform outside the laws He instated is not.

Denying Him the ability to bend, break and completely ignore the laws He put into being Himself is sheer foolishness.

Freodin · #8 8th April 2003, 05:43 PM

Today at 09:57 PM Follower of Christ said this in Post #7

Science is not the problem.

The problem is when christians say that because something cannot be scientifically tested that there is no way God did it in the manner He states.
Thereby taking miraculous powers from Him and making Him more of a spectator than God.

Study of His creation is fine.

Denying Him the ability to perform outside the laws He instated is not.

Denying Him the ability to bend, break and completely ignore the laws He put into being Himself is sheer foolishness.

Assuming that he uses this ability in certain situations makes faith blind.

ifriit · #9 8th April 2003, 07:10 PM

Today at 08:57 PM Follower of Christ said this in Post #7

The problem is when christians say that because something cannot be scientifically tested that there is no way God did it in the manner He states.

Speaking as an outsider, this doesn't appear to be the case in the first place. It is not that Christians who believe evolutionary theory to be valid believe science supercedes the abilities of your god, but rather they do not appear to believe that your god even stated the events of the formation of life in as straightforward a fashion as you think your god did. Ultimately, your disagreement is one of your personal interpretations of the Christian Bible. Why are you so certain that your interpretation is superior to an "evolutionist's"?

themac63 · #10 9th April 2003, 12:30 AM

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