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12th November 2006, 10:52 PM
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Reps: 757 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Renton405  The problem is when you bring up Jesus to Jews today, they cringe in agony and give me a look of emmense hatred..I myself am pro-judiasm and love the OT.. but I have a hard time explaining the NT to people of the jewish faith today because of the people who give christianity a bad name(westboro baptist church, etc).. It seems in this days age it will be utmost impossible for the Jews wanting to convert and believe,, and yet it was Jesus's plan to convert his people/Israel..I talked to this one pastor who thinks theres 'dual governments' in heaven and that the other one is for the Jews because they believe in the same God as the Christians do. But sacrificing sheep day after day dosent seem as substancial as jesus's sacrifice. Can a person still believe God and keep sacraficing sheep every week/month for his salvation? The Jews say yes..
The problem is the Jews will understand the NT better then you. (Probably why they hate hearing Christians preach so much!) So, instead of telling them about Jesus--they will understand Him better then you (provided they are religious Jews) ask them to read the NT. |
12th November 2006, 11:23 PM
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Reps: 886,597,614,052,822 (power: 886,597,614,060) | | Originally Posted by fwiwwl I wouldn't judge anyone on the salvation issue. That is not our place! There is always time for repentance with anyone! 
good thing we don't have to judge other's salvation.... the Bible is already quite clear that outside of Jesus, there is no salvation.... so simply applying the word to the question reveals that Jesus has made the judgment... and not only has Jesus made this judgment, but others have as well.....
Acts 4:10 let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ the Nazarene, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead--by this {name} this man stands here before you in good health.
Acts 4:11 "He is the STONE WHICH WAS REJECTED by you, THE BUILDERS, {but} WHICH BECAME THE CHIEF CORNER {stone.}
Acts 4:12 "And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved." (caps not shouting, OT quotation of the NT)
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12th November 2006, 11:28 PM
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Reps: 801,452,641,553,027,712 (power: 801,452,641,553,041) | | Originally Posted by Renton405 The problem is when you bring up Jesus to Jews today, they cringe in agony and give me a look of emmense hatred..I myself am pro-judiasm and love the OT.. but I have a hard time explaining the NT to people of the jewish faith today because of the people who give christianity a bad name(westboro baptist church, etc).. It seems in this days age it will be utmost impossible for the Jews wanting to convert and believe,, and yet it was Jesus's plan to convert his people/Israel..I talked to this one pastor who thinks theres 'dual governments' in heaven and that the other one is for the Jews because they believe in the same God as the Christians do. But sacrificing sheep day after day dosent seem as substancial as jesus's sacrifice. Can a person still believe God and keep sacraficing sheep every week/month for his salvation? The Jews say yes.. My uncle is very good friends with a Jew who happens to be a Christian. He knows how Jews react to Jesus and the very mention of Him. He gave my uncle very good advice that may also help you in your witnessing. He said that you should never evangelise to Jews from the NT, but rather the OT. The NT would not convince Jews of Christ because the NT is irrelevant to them anyway. You should instead use the part of the Bible that is relevant to them. There are many passages in the OT that talk about the Messiah. I suggest you should point out the passages in Isaiah that prophecy that the Messiah would be born of a virgin and would also suffer transgression for our sins. Then point out to them the similarities between the OT prophecies and the birth and sufferings of Christ. Now, of course they won't be convinced right off the bat. That's why you continue to talk to them about the OT prophecies and pray that they would come to accept the Messiah that they have so long denied. 
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12th November 2006, 11:32 PM
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Reps: 886,597,614,052,822 (power: 886,597,614,060) | | | something to add to this is that since Jesus is God, one could not rightly say that they believe in God when they fail to believe in Jesus... I realize that it is popular to say that the Muslims and Jews and Christians all believe in the same God... but I just do not see how one could say this.... Jesus IS God... if a person says they believe in God and deny that Jesus is God, they can't reasonably be said to believe in God at all..... instead, these folks are actually atheists... claiming to believe in a "god" that doesn't really possess any being at all... belief in a non-being, a being that doesn't actually exist... for if the Trinity is true, then this God (a triune God) is the only God that exists.
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12th November 2006, 11:39 PM
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12th November 2006, 11:53 PM
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Reps: 18,875,855,939,689,832 (power: 18,875,855,939,698) | | Originally Posted by Renton405 I am curious. I know this is a very delicate subject to certain faiths .. But do you believe people who believe in God but don't believe in his son have a chance to salvation?I know Jesus said that they who reject him reject his Father. I would wonder how to bring this subject up to say, a person of Jewish faith?..without seeming like a backwards jerk..
The best way that I know of, other than the miracle of prevailing prayer, is to compare the birth, life and death of Jesus Christ with all of the numerous prophesies which predicted the same. Since God has never needed a "Plan B" as "Plan A" has always sufficed for an omnipotent and omniscient Being, Jesus perfectly fitting those messianic prophesies stands alone as an appointed Mediator between God and men. He is that "Plan A" of God for the reconciliation of our lost race and there is then no point in looking for a hopeless "Plan B" that will never appear.
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13th November 2006, 07:33 PM
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Reps: 1,002 (power: 8) | | Originally Posted by seanHayden Hehe, think about this for a moment.
How was Moses saved?
How was David saved?
How was Isaiah saved?
They were all saved by Jesus--that sinks slowly--
I'm confused.
I believe that only by believing in Jesus and what He represents can we be saved. Do you agree with this or not? | | |
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