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This is a line I have seen many times (or words to that effect). Some creationists seem to think that if science is dealing with past events it ceases to be science and becomes faith.
If they are to be consistent then they would have to reject forensic science as well. Down with the evil religion of Forensicism!
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I can see how that arguement would go in court:
A forensic pathologist takes the stand, starts to list evidence that the defendent was the killer: the bullet matched the gun, the victum's blood was on his clothes, traces of gun powder was on the defendant's shirt, his fingerprints were all over the victums' house ect.
After the forencis pathologist is finished the defense attorney calmly gets up, walks to the pathologist and asks in his most deadpan voice, "Where you there?"
pathologist: Um...no
defense: Then how can you be really sure that my client is guilty if you were not there to witenes the murder?
pathologist: Well I have all of the evidence that I just listed off pointing to the defendent being guilty of murder.
defense: But where you there?
pathologist: No I wasn't.
defense: Then there is your reasonible doubt ladies and gentlemen of the jury.
He then sits down looking rather pleased with himself.
But at the same time, if god can do whatever he wants, then he couldnt have also done it different than literal 6 days, and just told people thats how he did it.
Matter of fact, doesnt the creation in 6 literal days seem to stiffle gods power? Why did it take god 6 days at all? Why not 1 second?
If god can do anything, that means he can also make the world however he sees fit, and explain it to people however he sees fit. Making 6 day literalism about as correct as the supposed false evolution.
If God did indeed create it all, it is very much within HIs ability to defy/ignore the laws of nature that He Himself would have put into place.
And in doing so he would have created a situation that couldn't be addressed by the scientific method. So why do creationists keep insisting that creationism is bona fide science and needs to be taught in science class? The whole point of scientific investigation is that it's limited to the parameters of the laws of nature (hence the full name, "natural science").
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But at the same time, if god can do whatever he wants, then he couldnt have also done it different than literal 6 days, and just told people thats how he did it.
Matter of fact, doesnt the creation in 6 literal days seem to stiffle gods power? Why did it take god 6 days at all? Why not 1 second?
If god can do anything, that means he can also make the world however he sees fit, and explain it to people however he sees fit. Making 6 day literalism about as correct as the supposed false evolution.
You are right, He could have done it instantly.
If you study more, you will see that He did it in 6 days and rested on the 7th for a reason.
And in doing so he would have created a situation that couldn't be addressed by the scientific method. So why do creationists keep insisting that creationism is bona fide science and needs to be taught in science class? The whole point of scientific investigation is that it's limited to the parameters of the laws of nature (hence the full name, "natural science").
You may misunderstand my stance.
I would rather that religion be dropped from schools altogether.
Only because our children have already been in contact with Wiccans wh were teachers.
I would rather that my children not be forcibly taught Muslim ''culture''.
But god doesnt need a reason, god is all powerfull. For god to need a reason is to mean we can understand him. If we can understand him then evolution is a possibility.
If evolution isnt a possibility because we cant understand him, then neither is anything else our small brains come up with.
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