Denying sickness - lets clear this up.

Trish1947 · #21 10th November 2006, 11:10 PM

Originally Posted by lismore

Actually JTM I used to believe some of that doctrine until I started working with people who have senile dementia, early dementia and other illnesses. They cant learn because the illness has destroyed their mind. So sickness teaching a person something is a silly doctrine, sickness is a bad thing, I hate it. So does Jesus.

How can a person with dementia be taught anything?

You would be surprised what's going on in some dementia patients spirits. My Dads wife who I now am responsible for her care since Dad went home to be with the Lord. She doesn't recognize anyone, doesn't communicate understandably with anyone and is in her own world, but she still can sing How Great Thou Art, and Amazing Grace and not miss a beat. This is about all she does, and she praises Jesus. She has not lost that. I wonder, if our spirits is what hears truth, no matter what shape the mind is in, can they still absorb the truth when they hear it?

peacechild4 · #22 10th November 2006, 11:28 PM

You know this reminds me of a person my father knows who started to go into a home for those with dementia and alzheimers... and started praying for a woman there daily..
That woman is getting well again.. praise God \0/ and they are looking to try bringing her home again to be with her husband!!

What would happen if everyone who believes started to get bold.. and pray with faith for those who live their last years trapped in some home.. To see the elderly live out their final years.. to be well enough to stay in their homes and with their loved ones and families!!

The mind boggles!!

spiritfilledwoman · #23 10th November 2006, 11:35 PM

Originally Posted by lismore

Pain in childbirth was also part of the curse. But Jesus took the curse on himself. Pain in childbirth need not any longer be suffered by a lady?

There was a book written on this by someone, does anyone have it? I would love to get a copy to read myself.

I actually have this book. It is called Supernatural Childbirth by Jackie Mize (published by Harrison House). I think it's a good, eye-opening book. You can see their website by clicking here.

tturt · #24 11th November 2006, 07:48 AM

SORRY I left out a very important word earlier - NOT

I really try NOT to claim any sickness.

However, the second sentence was -

"the doctors' offices state the facts; however, the truth is in The Word."

Glad you guys understood b/c many of the following posts were about not speaking sickness.

Speak things as though they were.

Many prophets are saying that this season in particular we need to careful about what we speak. It's so easy to get into areas where we shouldn't be. For example, the weather we can use that as a conversation item but rarely is in the positive. Then there's hundreds of other things, so it's a constant thing to guard against.

bstow · #25 11th November 2006, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by Diatheke

Denial is a river in Egypt.

Some people are still a little confused about denying the right of sickness to be in your body.

If you have symptoms in your body and you say you don't what are you doing? exercising your faith?
actually your lying.

We do not deny the reality of symptoms - we deny their right to be in our body.

I gave this analogy in another thread: If you stuck a knife through your hand would you deny the knife is there or do something to get the knife out?

If you deny the knife is there your a crazy liar, the only sane thing to do is get it out of your body - sickness is no different - sickness is a physical manifestation of a weapon stuck in your body just as a knife through the hand is a physical manifestation of a weapon stuck in your body.

It is not a lie to say I am healed by the stripes of Jesus and I deny the right of this illness to be in my body but it is a lie to deny that the symptom is there.

We are not denying the reality of symptoms we are denying its right to continue to stay in our body.

* We do not deny symptoms.
* We do deny a symptoms right to continue in our body.

Now even though we do not deny symptoms, we do not go the other extreme and make a confession out of our symptoms - if all you do is talk about your symptoms all day then you have now made your symptoms into a confession.

To tell other people you have symptoms so they know specifially what to pray for or to tell a doctor what your symptoms are is not a confession, to admit you have the symptom is not a confession.

To dwell continually, complain and talk about your symptoms over and over until you start to accept a symptom as being part of you instead of a foreign object or weapon in your body you have made it a confession.

* We do not deny symptoms.
* We do deny the right of a symptom to continue in our body.
* Admitting we have a symptom is not a confession.
* Dwelling on and talking about a symptom until we believe its a part of us instead of a foreign object or weapon that does not belong in our body is a confession.

Excellent explaination of faith response regarding sickness attacks on a Christian.

didaskalos · #26 11th November 2006, 11:16 AM

reprint from main forum:

One way to defeat a foe is to take what they say, twist it just enough to make it sound bad, and then claim that the twisted version is what they teach.

First off, the WoF does not teach positive thinking i.e. "if you think positive thoughts they will happen."
WoF teaches positive belief and positive confession in line with what you believe. If you believe something in your heart and align your confession with that belief, then you will have what you say.
"Thinking" and "believing" are totally different things.

So what about negative confession?
What are we talking about?

"The confession of your negative thoughts," or
"The confession of your negative beliefs," or
"The confession of negative thoughts that contradict the positive beliefs"?

Since I hold there are no negative beliefs in a believer, then this rules out the second choice.
Negative confession is the confession of your negative thoughts... regardless of what is believed.
Since negative confessions originate in the mind, they are not faith and do absolutely nothing creative. They are just words bouncing off the walls.
BUT
When negative thoughts and confessions constitute "doubts" of the heart... then these doubts do contribute to the short circuiting of what faith you have.
Jesus said you have to believe and not doubt in your heart. Heart is the core of your soulical man. It is not the spirit alone.. but also includes the mind. So even though thoughts of the mind (and the confession of those thoughts) have no creative power whatsoever(negative or positive), they may hinder what faith you do have.
I think this is the context that the WoF presents confession.

didaskalos · #27 11th November 2006, 11:19 AM

reprint from main forum

If faith and reality say the same thing, then there is no such thing as faith. Faith is holding something to be true that cannot be seen.
The confession of belief is core to the opertaion of faith. Jesus said that if you believe that what you say comes to pass you will have what you say.
What if you do not say it? He said you would have what you say... not just what you believe.
Since faith is the substance of things NOT seen, and since we are told to hold fast to the confession of our faith. Then we will hold fast to the confession of things not seen.
True.. the "negative confession" aberation has twisted this to include the belief and confession of "bad" things that are not seen. But if you will recall... Jesus said if we believe what we say comes to pass, we will have whatever we say. He did not specify the moral quality of those things. A legalist would question the morality of cursing your neighbor's fig tree or casting farmer Bob's mountian into the sea... but Jesus said we would do these things if we believe that what we say comes to pass.
The"belief" goes with "what we say," not with the individual specific things said.

PastorJoey · #28 11th November 2006, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by lismore

No matter how 'big' the sickness seems, God is 'bigger'.

He has promised to forgive all our sins and heal all our diseases. By his stripes we were healed (already happened) . Therefore the sickness is just trespassing where it does not belong.

Good post Lismore.
Faith doesnt deny the problem exists, Faith denies its right to exist.

Trish1947 · #29 11th November 2006, 03:20 PM

It's so good to hear that we deny sickness it right to exist. Not that it doesn't exist. After all, Jesus didn't come and bare something that did not exist.

J4Jesus · #30 11th November 2006, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by lismore

No matter how 'big' the sickness seems, God is 'bigger'.

He has promised to forgive all our sins and heal all our diseases. By his stripes we were healed (already happened) . Therefore the sickness is just trespassing where it does not belong.

Isnt it funny ( really sad tho) how a person can believe the first half of that verse. "forgive all our sins" but does not believe the last half? "heal all our diseases"