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Today at 02:20 AM Freedom777 said this in Post #27
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"And theologians were ecstatic that such a Designer was falsified. Because that type of Designer makes all kinds of problems for Christianity. The designs in nature show, that if they were made by your Designer, then the Designer is stupid, cruel, and suffereing from Alzheimer's. Science can stand such a Designer. Christianity cannot. Which is one reason Christians looked upon evolution as rescuing Christianity from Intelligent Design"
Ahhh but you did not take the fall of man into account.
Yes, they did. The so-called "fall of man", Biblically, is a specific punishment for humans: expulsion from Eden, difficulty in farming, and pain in childbirth. That's it. The rest of Creation was unaffected and was still "good".
What creationists have done is gone non-literal and introduced this concept to explain away everything that doesn't fit with their theory.
But they still insist that God created animals so that they cannot vary beyond their own "kind" and that this variability is "good". Put another way, they still insist that God designed each species.
The problem is that there are too many sadistic and stupid designs out there. Just two examples. The digger wasp lays its eggs in living grasshoppers and the larvae eat the living grasshopper out from the inside -- just like the alien in the movie Alien. Very sadistic for the grasshopper. Also, having designed primates and raccoons with an opposable thumb, God apparently forgot that when He designed the panda. Even tho other bears have a thumb, but fused to the rest of the fingers, God didn't unfuse the existing thumb but designed a real makeshift thumb by elongating a wrist bone. God is either stupid or suffering from Alzheimer's.
Freedom, you are going to have to do a lot better than a simple "fall of man" to deal with the problem of sadistic and stupid designs in biological organisms.
Actually, lucaspa took everything nicely into account. The *theologians* to whom she refers, however, did not take your specific interpretation of the fall of man into account. Recognize that you're shooting your own people here - Lucaspa was stating the publically available positions of CHRISTIANS.
Second, why is your version of the Fall the 'correct' one? It seems like you're jamming an awful lot into the Bible, into a space where no such literal data is found...
"she"? You do know which gender an open circle with an arrow coming out of it refers to, right?
Otherwise, thank you. The creationist extrapolation of the "fall" is not Biblical. For Biblical literalists, creationists are not very literal.
Why do you keep saying "evolution" when you mean the theory of evolution? Does it bother you for some reason to have to admit that it is just a theory?
Ah, the old "just a theory" fallacy. Again. John, I know we have gone over this at least 3 other times with you alone. Talk about suffering from Alzheimer's!
We say "what is gravity" rather than "what is the theory of gravity" all the time. We say "what are cells" rather than "what is the theory of cells".
A valid theory, which evolution is, is not a "guess" like you use theory in the colloquial sense. A valid theory is a well-supported explanation for a wide variety of facts. When a theory is strongly supported, as evolution and gravity are, we refer to them as (provisionally) fact.
This juvenile attempt to lessen the validity and epistemological merit of evolution is no more successful now than any of the other times you have tried it.
Posted Today at 10:08 AM JohnR7 said this in Post #34
Well, you just told us what path your on and where you are headed. You really should be more careful about what you say.
You should be more careful how you quote and read. This is totally out-of-context, and you know it. False witness again, John, in a poor attempt to attack my character and try to make me seem to be attacking Christianity. Let's look the full quote again:
"And theologians were <B>ecstatic</B> that such a Designer was falsified. Because that type of Designer makes all kinds of problems for Christianity. The designs in nature show, that if they were made by your Designer, then the Designer is stupid, cruel, and suffereing from Alzheimer's. Science can stand such a Designer. Christianity cannot."
It's not me saying God is "stupid, cruel, and suffering from Alzheimer's", but creationism. Which is another reason (among many) that creationism is non-Christian and a danger to Christianity.
You should be more careful how you quote and read. This is totally out-of-context, and you know it.
No, I don't know it at all, by your words you will be justified and by your words you will be condemned. You should pay more attention to what your saying and less attention to what your ego is telling you. I am just giving you fair warning, that this material is going to be on the test and you will be held accountable for it.
So it's up to you and complaining about it is not going to change a thing.
It's not me saying God is "stupid, cruel, and suffering from Alzheimer's", but creationism.
No, it is you saying that creationism is saying such and such and so and so. But if that is your defence on the day of judgement, give it a try. My opinion is that it will shatter like glass and not work for you at all.
By your judgement of others, you will be judged. Your judgement will be measured right back to you.
Matthew 7:1-2
"Judge not, that you be not judged. [2] For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.
...God is either stupid or suffering from Alzheimer's.
Freedom, you are going to have to do a lot better than a simple "fall of man" to deal with the problem of sadistic and stupid designs in biological organisms.
I realize that the only reason you probably arent banned fron this Christian website altogether is this particular forum is, sadly enough, welcoming blasphemous persons such as yourself.
You can yell ''out of context'' if you want to try to dodge the truth of your words, but those of us that AREchristians here see through you easily.
Ah, the old "just a theory" fallacy. Again. John, I know we have gone over this at least 3 other times with you alone. Talk about suffering from Alzheimer's!
We say "what is gravity" rather than "what is the theory of gravity" all the time. We say "what are cells" rather than "what is the theory of cells".
The word gravity does not have much use out side of the theory. The word evolve and evolution has a lot of usage outside of the theory of evolution. My example of how transportation and the wheel has evolved has nothing to do with natural selection and the theory of evolution. Not in a direct way anyways.
As far as Alzheimer's, you sure do seem to be worried about this. First you accuse God and now me. But if you want to know my medical history, my dad and grandfather had strokes starting when they were about 80. This is different from Alzheimer's disease. What is your family medical histroy in this regards?
Today at 01:31 PM Follower of Christ said this in Post #47
I realize that the only reason you probably arent banned fron this Christian website altogether is this particular forum is, sadly enough, welcoming blasphemous persons such as yourself.
If they banned him, they would most likely ban me also. Lucaspa and I both take a pretty stong stand for what we believe. Although I will be glad to give him the honor of being more hard headed than I am.
Paul's personality did not change when he became a Christian, he just began to fight for God, instead of against God.
Anyone that is not saved in on the road to blasphemy. This forum is open to saved and unsaved people. He did get banned from some of the christian only forums on here.
"she"? You do know which gender an open circle with an arrow coming out of it refers to, right?
You remind me of that Ben Casey show back in the 60's that use to start out with all those symbols: man, women, life, death, infinity. I always wondered about that infinity one.
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