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Old 6th April 2003, 01:55 AM
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cDK Theory

Interesting theory being worked on now that could account for the age differences between science and theology.  Just wondering what you all think?

(from biblephysics.com)

 

Q: How can Christians believe that God created the universe 6,000 years ago (plus or minus), when there are galaxies millions, even billions of light years away?

<B>A:</B> One of my favorite questions. Research is underway in physics and mathematics that may prove there are actually two timelines: atomic, and dynamic (sometimes referred to as 'orbital'). Atomic time is measured by the motion of the electron around the nucleus of the atom, which, if the cDK (light speed decay) hypothesis is proved correct, has been slowing down since matter was first created. If this is the case, then all processes that depend on the behavior of the atom, including atomic dating, would be affected. The net result would be a much higher age indicated in the analysis of rocks and fossils, than would be indicated using dynamic time -- measured by the orbit of the earth around the sun -- which has not changed.

The cDK hypothesis may not be correct. But it happens to make better sense than any other theory regarding the vast discrepancy in time between the scientific view and the theological view. The cDK hypothesis also solves a majority of other problems that presently plague our best cosmological theories of the origin of the universe.
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Very interesting thoughts. The question though, could this light speed decay have decayed enough to turn 6000 years into a reading of 13.8 billion (for the age of the universe)?
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An interesting article I found about C Decay:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/c-decay.html
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Originally Posted by Jase View Post
Interesting theory being worked on now that could account for the age differences between science and theology.&nbsp; Just wondering what you all think?
For lack of a better term, I call it 'embedded age', which I define as 'maturity without history'.
Originally Posted by Adam Clarke's Commentary on Genesis 2:5
It appears that God created every thing, not only perfect as it respects its nature, but also in a state of maturity, so that every vegetable production appeared at once in full growth; and this was necessary that man, when he came into being, might find every thing ready for his use.
2 Peter 3:5a For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old,
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atomic, and dynamic
You have one group of people that say the earth has been around the Sun 6,000 times. You have another group that says 4.5 Billion times. They are pretty far apart. As a GAP Creationist all we cover is the last 12,982 years. We do not argue with Science about what happened before that. Life is to short and we do not have enough time to worry about it. Better we spend our time to read and study the Bible.
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You have one group of people that say the earth has been around the Sun 6,000 times. You have another group that says 4.5 Billion times. They are pretty far apart. As a GAP Creationist all we cover is the last 12,982 years. We do not argue with Science about what happened before that. Life is to short and we do not have enough time to worry about it. Better we spend our time to read and study the Bible.
Just checking, what does GAP stand for?
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Originally Posted by Jase View Post
Interesting theory being worked on now that could account for the age differences between science and theology.&nbsp; Just wondering what you all think?

(from biblephysics.com)

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Q: How can Christians believe that God created the universe 6,000 years ago (plus or minus), when there are galaxies millions, even billions of light years away?

<B>A:</B> One of my favorite questions. Research is underway in physics and mathematics that may prove there are actually two timelines: atomic, and dynamic (sometimes referred to as 'orbital'). Atomic time is measured by the motion of the electron around the nucleus of the atom, which, if the cDK (light speed decay) hypothesis is proved correct, has been slowing down since matter was first created. If this is the case, then all processes that depend on the behavior of the atom, including atomic dating, would be affected. The net result would be a much higher age indicated in the analysis of rocks and fossils, than would be indicated using dynamic time -- measured by the orbit of the earth around the sun -- which has not changed.

The cDK hypothesis may not be correct. But it happens to make better sense than any other theory regarding the vast discrepancy in time between the scientific view and the theological view. The cDK hypothesis also solves a majority of other problems that presently plague our best cosmological theories of the origin of the universe.
If the speed of light is decaying, then the rate of decay is so small that any difference between the two as you suggest would be a very short time. Certainly nowhere near the billions of years required for this idea to be correct.

A nice idea, but you have no evidence to support that it can do what you would require it to do.
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Interesting theory being worked on now that could account for the age differences between science and theology.&nbsp; Just wondering what you all think?

(from biblephysics.com)

&nbsp;

Q: How can Christians believe that God created the universe 6,000 years ago (plus or minus), when there are galaxies millions, even billions of light years away?

<B>A:</B> One of my favorite questions. Research is underway in physics and mathematics that may prove there are actually two timelines: atomic, and dynamic (sometimes referred to as 'orbital'). Atomic time is measured by the motion of the electron around the nucleus of the atom, which, if the cDK (light speed decay) hypothesis is proved correct, has been slowing down since matter was first created. If this is the case, then all processes that depend on the behavior of the atom, including atomic dating, would be affected. The net result would be a much higher age indicated in the analysis of rocks and fossils, than would be indicated using dynamic time -- measured by the orbit of the earth around the sun -- which has not changed.

The cDK hypothesis may not be correct. But it happens to make better sense than any other theory regarding the vast discrepancy in time between the scientific view and the theological view. The cDK hypothesis also solves a majority of other problems that presently plague our best cosmological theories of the origin of the universe.
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For lack of a better term, I call it 'embedded age', which I define as 'maturity without history'.
Well, to be sure, there is a better term, but it wouldn't get past the censors.

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