I need to clear some things up

If i were to build a foundation with a skyscraper in mind,but than preceded to build a 2 car garage on that foundation,that would be just totally rediculus right? I mean its wrong because it does not belong there,and it's obvious that it does not belong there. Now with the creation/evolution issue its also that way.The foundations are built to accommondate the structure in which they want to build. All other designs conform to that structure.The problem that most of us have is that ,in debating each other with our evidence,we try to take a piece of our structure and try to fit it on the others structure,well it will be obvious that it just will not fitt ,becuase the designer didnt have that design in mind when he built his structure. Now the matierals he has presented to the other are the same matierals that both structures use, but they are designed differently. Ya see the (GTE) Has a foundation that says the structure that i am about to construct must conform to the idea that all things came through time,chance and natural processes hence they need millions of years to make it seem reasonable.Creationist have a foundation that says God created ,the fall of man /the diversity of nations at the tower of babel/the flood of noah,the savior of the world. And the structure they build must also conform to the foundation.SO thats why i say this is not a battle of science vs. relgion But the science of one religion vs.the science of another religion. Neither one of us has all the answers But we are unwaivering with our foundations. I hope and pray that some of you understand where the real battle between creation/evolution , really is Rob

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Descarte, “It is truth very certain that, when it is not in our power to determine what is true, we ought to follow what is most probable.”

Eh?

Science starts with no structure other than reality; the evidence available to us. From this, they try to find the model that best matches and predicts elements of these bits of evidence. That model does not include Biblical creationism.

Creationists work it the other way. Start with the Bible, assume it contains facts, find evidence that supports the already existant structure. That's why creationist 'evidence' doesn't usually work in scientific literature - They're going at the problem from the wrong direction.

THAT'S the problem. You're taking the problem with creationist 'science' and saying everyone does it. Not true.

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Again, you are falsely equating evolution and science with religion (with respect to Christian theology).

The only way to actually classify either evolution or other aspects of science with religion is to render the definition of "religion" as virtually all-emcompassing and therefore, useless.

The "battle" (if you can call it that) is one of theological doctrine versus scientific discovery. It always has been and it always will be.

Well you are sourly missing what real science is than.

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Descarte, “It is truth very certain that, when it is not in our power to determine what is true, we ought to follow what is most probable.”

Unfortunatly evolution isnt a religion.

This is a common thing that creationist groups try to make you think. They do all sorts of things like rewriting the theory of evolution (see as the GTE isnt really evolution) to try to trick people into thinking evolution is something it is not.

Evolution is based on observations of the environment, that isnt a religion as a religion normally requires a faith in the unknown. Evolution does require a sort of faith. The faith that what we see is real and not a dream, however that gets into philosophy. All the claims that evolution makes are dirrectly backed up with actual physical evidence. Creationism isnt backed by that evidence, so creationist organizations try to twist evolution into being equal with creationism, when it really isnt.

Evolution is not a religion.

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[quote][b]4th April 2003 at 02:48 PM Arikay said this in Post #5

Unfortunatly evolution isnt a religion.

Isn't it?

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Descarte, “It is truth very certain that, when it is not in our power to determine what is true, we ought to follow what is most probable.”

Now that's ironic...

Falsely, Really?

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Descarte, “It is truth very certain that, when it is not in our power to determine what is true, we ought to follow what is most probable.”

Yes

Yes freedom, it isnt a religion. No matter how many time creationist groups claim it is, it isnt. Your version of the GTE is wrong.

Creationism is based on a religion, Evolution is Not. So creationist groups try to equate evolution with religion because it makes it on a level playing field, however they are not on a level playing field. Evolution has real evidence to support it.

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