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5th April 2003 at 04:36 PM Arikay said this in Post #9 So we should possibly see a couple thousand to a couple million year gap between zebra and zebra (or, non perfect horse like kind, and non perfect horse like kind.)
It is going to be hard to trace a zebra, you need to trace sheep and goats and animals that were used on the farm for food.
<DT>"After two billion years of evolutionary progress from pre-human species, the modern physical man appeared about 50,000 years ago. Although the origins of civilization are complex, yet modern investigations agree that the foundations of civilization building began about 9000 BC. Through the Neolithic Revolution in the highlands of Armenia and Kurdistan. Here for the first time man cultivated wheat and barley and domesticated the goat, sheep, and cattle: species of plants and animals the wild ancestors of which were native to this region. Thus, the savage hunting and food-gathering man transformed into sedentary village-city life, and through the control of his food production and acquisition of more leisure time, mankind diverted his energy and intellect to civilization making through economic, technological, religious, social, and political developments,
<DT>Following the Agricultural and Animal Husbandry Revolutions, major developments followed. First, pottery making was discovered in western Armenia about 7000 BC, making possible the storage of surplus foodstuff. Next emerged the Technological Revolution, in the vicinity of Lake Van in Armenia, when after a million and a half years of stone age subculture, the native volcanic gloss known as obsidian was used and later exported as a material from which sharp edged and superior tools were manufactured Between 6500 and 4000 before Christ, Armenian tribesmen carried on a thriving trade by supplying obsidian to Near Eastern lands. This traffic set in motion the beginnings of trade and commerce, and o communication system, which initiated the diffusion, and exchange of economic. Cultural, and urban advances among the ancients."
<DT>Now, isn't that a interesting coincidence. Not only animals but plants appeared in history just where you would expect them to appear, right where Noah' Ark landed.
5th April 2003 at 07:19 PM JohnR7 said this in Post #11 Here for the first time man cultivated wheat and barley and domesticated the goat, sheep, and cattle: species of plants and animals the wild ancestors of which were native to this region
Now, isn't that interesting. If you look at where Noah began his journey on the Ark, you will find that is the only known place in the world where wheat grows wild.
Then if you look at where Noah's Ark is reported to have landed, you will find, this is where cultivated wheat and barley first began in the history of mankind and the history of farming.
Good job Pete, you will find just exactly what you were expecting to find, where Noah's Ark landed.
5th April 2003 at 07:25 PM Arikay said this in Post #12
Can you give us evidence that the ark landed there? Physical evidence, not written.
I already have given you evidence and there is lots more. Armenian is no longer under Russian control. The history of this country is rich in telling the story about Noah.
"Ararat, in the Armenian Highland, is the final resting-place of Noah's Ark"
There is no question that Noah is a real person and the Ark was for real. Your the one that should study it, because there is very little evidence in the REAL story of Noah of a world wide flood.
If anything, it is creationist that would want to cover up the real Noah story. Not evolutionists. It would be to their advantage because it shows the flood was local and not world wide.
5th April 2003 at 07:50 PM Arikay said this in Post #15
but do you have physical evidence that the ark landed there?
I have heard similiar information in conspiracy theories I have read.
What difference does it make, your a self professed Godless Heathan. Your only mission in life as a enemy of God is to take any truth you can get a hold of so as to twist and pervert it into a lie.
I did not put this post here for people like you. I put it here for people who want to know the truth. Not people who want to twist and pervert the truth to their own destruction.
I know your on the road to blasphemy, but you are allowed to take a U turn. There is nothing keeping you from returning to the God who created you, with your whole heart, soul, strength and mind.
But if you want to continue to go into darkness, then I suppose that is your choice to make. I am going to walk in the light of the truth and not the darkness of error.
John, since you are using this webpage as your evidence, do you also accept the dates that it provided? It says that ag. started in 9000 BC, 5000 years older then the world is supposed to be according to a YEC world view and 7000 years older then the supposed date of the flood.
Also the middle East is not the only area where dometication occured. Rice, soybean, millets (a grain), and pigs were all domesticated in China around the same time as the domestications in the fertile cresent (which is in Iraq by the way, not Armenia). Corn, beans, squash, patatos, turkeys and llamas were domesticated in central and south america. In Africa sorghum (another grain) African rice, African yams and coffee were domesticated. All of these domestications were completely independent of the ones occuring in the fertile cresent. So why should the one you mentioned be considered special?
Your only mission in life as a enemy of God is to take any truth you can get a hold of so as to twist and pervert it into a lie.
Then why even bother to talk to non-Christians?
As far as horses being closer to perfection than zebras on account of having more chromosomes (and hence more complexity), remember than chimps, orangutans, and gorillas have more chromosomes than humans.
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