Geological Sciences v. YEC/Flood Geology

Arikay, I can no more prove God created everything than you can prove the big bang (or whatever theory you hold to) was the cause of creation. I accept my beliefs by Faith.............just like you accept yours.

 

Footnote: I don't profess to understand just HOW God created this world. He may have used some of the Theories that are popular now to do His work. I simply believe the He did it. But then, I'm just...........

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Plumbdumb
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But if any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach; and it shall be given him. James 1:5

Plumb: Good for you. Contrary to what many people think science doesnt try to eliminate god. On the contrary any reasonable scientist would say that it is just as possible that god created the universe. science is the study of how this universe works. Its currently impossible for science to say that god definatly didnt create the Universe. However science has said for over 200 years that god Did Not do it the literal way the bible says. But the bible is not god, even though some people seem to think it is.

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Green faeries

 

Baumgardner's BFM (boiling flood model) cooks the earth to death thousands of times over. It is admited to release 10²⁸ Joules of energy when it starts and in addition the crust under the entire ocean dives into the earth and is replaced by molten mantle material. In fact it is super hot molten mantle material because Baumgardner uses an ad hoc heating of the mantle to reduce mantle viscosity about 100,000,000 times to get the process started. 

How much energy is 10²⁸  J? It is about 3 times the energy required to boil all the water in all the world's oceans.

One million tons of TNT releases 4.18 x 10^15 Joules of energy.  Thus 10²⁸ is equivalent to about 2,400,000,000,000 one megaton hydrogen bombs and this is released before the entire ocean crust is replaced by molten mantle which will probably release another 10²⁸ J of heat as it solidifies.

I can provide more details of the calculations that totally falsify the BFM if anyone would like to see them and somewhere I have a link to Kurt Wise giving a talk in which he admits that the model releases enough heat to boil the oceans away many times over and that there is no known mechanism for the heat to get out.

If you want to try to defend the boiling flood model I would recommend starting another thread. The BFM does not provide an accurate prediction of the world's geology either.  For example it predicts a very different profile of the ocean depths as shown by Joe Meert.

http://gondwanaresearch.com/oceans.htm

If this runaway subduction had happened in the last several thousand years to cause a global flood as ICR claims we would still have an atmosphere of high pressure steam and no life on earth.

The Frumious Bandersnatch

Of course, when I say I believe that God created everything I include all the laws and principle of science. If He created them and He is a God of order - which I believe the Scriptures confirms - it's entirely possible that He used those same laws and principles in creation. It's also concievable (to me at least) that He simply spoke everything into being. I happen to believe the latter, but my Faith in Him as Creator and God would not be shaken IF He used another approach to Create this world and all in it.

I really should get my wife to post her thoughts here. We've had a lot of lively and serious discussions about this during our 36 years together.  Seems like only yesterday when we first met.....wait! That would belong on another forum, right?

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Plumbdumb
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But if any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach; and it shall be given him. James 1:5

I would agree with you Plumb.

One interesting thing is that the theory of the big bang says that space and time (spacetime) was created by the big bang.
We can Not see beyond spacetime, So it is currently impossible to see what happend before the big bang (if anything) or if there is anything outside our universe. This means god could have set everything up.

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Green faeries

No, it wouldn't be stated better that way unless you want to discuss paleontology or biostratigraphy.

The Old Earth model has been considered even before evolution was a scientific theory. It was proposed by Christian geologists who realized that their Young Earth model was falsified.

This has nothing to do with evolution. It has everything to do with geology. Either you can answer the questions or not. There's no bias involved here.

Irrelavent.

Still dodging the questions, I see.

There is no mechanism that shows how the mountain ranges formed (and on Earth they are of different ages, not the same) in such a short time without destroying the Earth.

My questions are based upon the assumption that there is enough water on Earth.

Then you are incorrect about the principles of science. Science is a man-made construct--a naturalistic methodology created by humans to interpret the world around them.

There are questions in the opening thread.

Why do people keep detracting from the topic? What is so hard about answering the questions directly?

Let's try this again: establishing the framework of discussion. Now I want to stay on topic because apparently creationists think dodging the topic somehow refutes it.

1. What stratum or sequence of strata in the geologic record represent a period of global flooding and the resulting sedimentary deposition?

2. What is the duration of this flooding event?

This will establish what strata we are talking about (if not all of them) as well as the time it took to deposit those strata, and we can then move on to problematic features based upon answers to the above questions.

1. probably most, if not all

2. I think the flood waters were present for about one year.
( i will need to recheck the complete accuracy of this)