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4th April 2003, 01:02 PM
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Yeah, okay.
I have to get out to my rabbits and things now.
Remember, we christians are your enemy and we are just out to decieve you into going to heaven with us (oh no, it'll be too crowded  )
Christians aren't the enemy, and I don' think rank and file YECs are out to deceive anyone. It's the professionals that are out to deceive and make a nice living at it apparently.
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Young earth creationism has been falsified over and over in eyes of everyone who is not totally committed to the particular interpretation of scripture that AiG adheres to. Ken Hamm shows how the ''evidence'' can fit into a young earth.
Thats about all I have seen of AIG.
Ken Ham provides explanations that satisfy the followers of and donors to AiG, people with limited scientific knowledge who want to believe. AiG's nonsense doesn't fool people with in-depth knowledge of the science involved and in my opinion it is not intended to.
While you may be able to fit some observations into a framework of a young earth there are no observations that can only be fit into a young earth framework and a myriad of observations that can't possibly fit into a young earth. Many have been discussed here. I have studied many of AiG's interpretations, what you call correct interpretations. In the cases that I have studied I find that they leave out much of the evidence, make use of mulitple ad hoc hypothesis and distort facts. Even many of their "correct interpretations" directly conflict with their "correct interpretations" for other observations they are trying to shoehorn into a young earth. There is simply no way to interpret the totallity of the world's geology, paleontology, biogeography and biodiversity in the young earth, worldwide flood framework.
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4th April 2003, 02:12 PM
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By that logic, Benny Hinn, Jim Baker and others did nothing wrong in bilking old ladies out of their social security checks.
Jim Baker made two mistakes that we all could learn from. First he bought into his own public relations hype. It is one thing if people think highly of you, but we have to be humble before God and we an not think to highly of ourselves.
The other problem was that he was pyramiding. He was actually convicted of this one and spent time in jail for it. We all need to be careful about trying to borrow against tomorrow. I know a church that just put up a education addition and the interest on the load is something like $8000 a month. For me, they should have waited tell they had the money to build, because they are throwing away all their money on interest now. |
4th April 2003, 02:15 PM
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Ken Hamm shows how the ''evidence'' can fit into a young earth.
Thats about all I have seen of AIG.
No one says he is inspired,
If he is not inspiried then what profit is there in that? Man's opinions often are not worth a dime a dozen. |
4th April 2003, 02:53 PM
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Reps: 37 (power: 0) | | | While you may be able to fit some observations into a framework of a young earth there are no observations that can only be fit into a young earth framework and a myriad of observations that can't possibly fit into a young earth. Many have been discussed here. I have studied many of AiG's interpretations, what you call correct interpretations. In the cases that I have studied I find that they leave out much of the evidence, make use of mulitple ad hoc hypothesis and distort facts. Even many of their "correct interpretations" directly conflict with their "correct interpretations" for other observations they are trying to shoehorn into a young earth. There is simply no way to interpret the totallity of the world's geology, paleontology, biogeography and biodiversity in the young earth, worldwide flood framework.
This is what i'v been saying all along, which is, we all have the same facts but the conclusions of those facts are going to be interpreted through the glasses were wearing.
An evolutionist is always going to come to conclusions grom the facts that seem to support that framework. A creationist is always going to come to conclusions from the same facts evolutionists have but theirs will support a creationist framwork.
Ya where one set of glasses or the other. 2 distinct worldviews that can never harminize together becuase they are both built on different foundations. And thats the reality of science.
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4th April 2003, 03:21 PM
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Reps: 17 (power: 0) | | 4th April 2003 at 06:53 PM Freedom777 said this in Post #45 This is what i'v been saying all along, which is, we all have the same facts but the conclusions of those facts are going to be interpreted through the glasses were wearing.
An evolutionist is always going to come to conclusions grom the facts that seem to support that framework. A creationist is always going to come to conclusions from the same facts evolutionists have but theirs will support a creationist framwork.
Ya where one set of glasses or the other. 2 distinct worldviews that can never harminize together becuase they are both built on different foundations. And thats the reality of science.
We may be forced into interpretations by our limits as human beings, but not all interpretations are equal. Interpretations can be falsified, as young earth interpretations have been over and over again. Interpreations can also be rigorously tested and evaluated constantly in light of new evidence. We can make predictions with our interpretations and test those predictions against new evidence. We can also evaluate interpretations based on their consistency with other established interpretations in science. Evolution and an old earth model pass all of those tests, young earth models do not.
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4th April 2003, 03:22 PM
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An evolutionist is always going to come to conclusions grom the facts that seem to support that framework.
The thing is, though, the "evolution" framework arose from conclusions about the facts, not the other way around. |
4th April 2003, 04:42 PM
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4th April 2003, 04:48 PM
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Thats impossible all peoplr are biased.
Wow, so now you are dictating history, huh? Amazing the number of hoops you have to jump through to maintain your position on this. | | |
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