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And that is the danger of letting god into science.
Instead of backing up a claim, (as I mentioned earlier), you just claimed that we are blinded by something and that we need to open up our eyes.
This is not a scientific defense. Its a religions one.
The problem with a religious defense is that it cant be shown false, thus its not a good argument.
If you let god into science, the basics of science colapse and we no longer advance.
Yes, I admit, science is biased to the naturalistic - and that is a good thing, even theologically.
1. God is not directly necessary for the operation of the world.
Even the most doctrinal Christians act this way. Even you do now. You type a text, you write the word "God", you expect to see the letter "G" on the screen when you hit the "G" key. You expect to that to work every time, without any thought to God. You do not pray "Please God, let there be a "G" when I hit the "G" key!" before typing.
2. Humans should not be able to manipulate God.
You could evade point 1 by stating that God is consistent, and never-changing, and that this is the reasons why all "naturalistic" processes are the way they are. But that would make God someone who has to react to human action. I can force God to commence the physical processes that make a "G" appear on your screen simply by hitting the "G" key.
You would not really like such an idea of God, would you?
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[b]4th April 2003 at 12:00 PM Nathan Poe said this in Post #22
"Correctly interpreted" = quoted out of context, twisted just short of the breaking point, ignored or dismissed.
As for Starlight, it plainly falsifies YEC. What you need to do is find some outlandish and of course completely untestable explaination (for example, "Goddidit,") to make the fact fit into your theology, without the inconvenience of changing your mind.
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4th April 2003 at 06:04 PM Freodin said this in Post #33
Yes, I admit, science is biased to the naturalistic - and that is a good thing, even theologically.
1. God is not directly necessary for the operation of the world.
Even the most doctrinal Christians act this way. Even you do now. You type a text, you write the word "God", you expect to see the letter "G" on the screen when you hit the "G" key. You expect to that to work every time, without any thought to God. You do not pray "Please God, let there be a "G" when I hit the "G" key!" before typing.
2. Humans should not be able to manipulate God.
You could evade point 1 by stating that God is consistent, and never-changing, and that this is the reasons why all "naturalistic" processes are the way they are. But that would make God someone who has to react to human action. I can force God to commence the physical processes that make a "G" appear on your screen simply by hitting the "G" key.
You would not really like such an idea of God, would you?
What kind of pseudo-philosophical, hocus-pokus tripe is that ?
4th April 2003 at 09:50 PM Follower of Christ said this in Post #34
I can deal with that...
So you're conceding that YEC isn't a scientific belief?
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4th April 2003 at 10:04 PM Nathan Poe said this in Post #36
So you're conceding that YEC isn't a scientific belief?
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I am saying that evolution is merely ''theory'' and thats all
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