God and Homosexuality

Nazarene77 · #1 3rd April 2003, 09:36 PM

Just an interesting tidbit I came up with on God and Homosexuality:

Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. --Romans 1:26-27 NIV

Notice the words 'lust' and 'perversion' is used here. That's what homosexuality is all about: lust. Lust after the body-type of someone of the same sex. Indeed, I do believe it is possible to be born this way, but that doesn't mean one should act on this lust.

Now look what the Bible has to say about love:

If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing.

Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love. --1 Corinthians 13 NIV

WOW!!!

This is the the kind of selfless love that goes against the natural human inclination. It is a giving, expect nothing in return kind of love. This love is based on the deliberate choice of the one who loves rather than the worthiness of the one who is loved. Now that is awesome and full of power! This is God's love.

Now look at this:

Flee also youthful lusts; but pursue righteousness, faith, love, peace with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart. --2 Timothy 2:22 NIV

This proves that it is possible to flee from any lifestyle which contradicts what God wants for each and every one of us.

So, if you choose your partner out of lust you are living a life of sin and perversion. Choose your partner out of love and you are doing what is righteous and good.

The same goes for homosexuals. Homosexuals can either lust after those of the same sex and live in sin, or they can learn how to truly love someone of the opposite sex and live righteously. For out of love, a homosexual should be even be able to "make love" to someone of the same sex out of love and not out of lust.

This makes very good sense because their have been people who have been gay and have learned to love, thus leaving their perversive lifestyles and pursuing a lifestyle of love, peace, and righteousness.

Note that all of the above passages were written by Paul the Apostle.

Job_38 · #2 3rd April 2003, 09:39 PM

Here is a good sermon over it. The first link has the notes, the second the actual sermon.

http://www.evbc.org/xweb/comms/1/objects/TS_020203.pdf

http://www.evbc.org/xweb/comms/Media...spx?n=1&a=1936

Mechanical Bliss · #3 3rd April 2003, 10:54 PM

What an offensive bit of tripe you just posted. It's just one big lie.

To say that homosexuals cannot truly love and are only lusting after each other is a flat out ridiculous lie.

Get over yourself and your religious dogma.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

This thread is evidently a deliberate insult out of ignorance.

 

 :rolleyes:

Nazarene77 · #4 3rd April 2003, 11:07 PM

You know, it's one thing to disagree, but please abstain from disagreeing so harshly. I know I'm not a mod and I am talking to you like a mod, but just so you know I have reported you.

Mechanical Bliss · #5 3rd April 2003, 11:11 PM

Oh please...

...and what you posted isn't harsh libelous nonsense?

I'm defending myself against your defamation that isn't grounded in any sense of reality or in any sense of what it's like to be homosexual.

Nazarene77 · #6 3rd April 2003, 11:16 PM

3rd April 2003 at 10:11 PM Mechanical Bliss said this in Post #5

Oh please...

...and what you posted isn't harsh libelous nonsense?

I'm defending myself against your defamation that isn't grounded in any sense of reality or in any sense of what it's like to be homosexual.

Defending yourself? Understand that I am not attacking homosexuals, but only preaching at them. It is not within your rights to attack me even I did attack you first.

Mechanical Bliss · #7 3rd April 2003, 11:28 PM

Yes, you are attacking homosexuals, and I'm highly offended by your claim that homosexuals cannot truly love one another.

Furthermore, I don't care what you think my rights are. I have a right to free speech, and how far that extends depends on the moderators of the board, but I won't sit idly while you attack homosexuals. It most certainly is in my rights. I don't really even think I've even really attacked you except to point out a few facts: that your post was libelous and insulting. Did you not even think about how your post might affect others? The only attack on you I made was to say that you should get over yourself and your religious dogma. I feel perfectly justified in saying that because you are basing your insults disguised as preaching on dogmatic beliefs instead of reality. Disguise it as "preaching" all you want, but I don't buy it one bit when you make accusations and assumptions (again) not grounded in any sense of reality or any sense of what it's actually like to be a homosexual.

Nazarene77 · #8 3rd April 2003, 11:32 PM

No, attacking would mean "the use of violence." This is just pure preaching.

Bliss, this is a Philosophy and Morality Forum, so what did you expect? Now go on and "defend yourself" in other Forums, but you can't "defend yourself" here. Sorry.

Mechanical Bliss · #9 3rd April 2003, 11:39 PM

The word attack, as a trasitive verb, and in the definition I intended when I commented: "To criticize strongly or in a hostile manner."

You criticized homosexuals strongly. You attack homosexuals by claiming they cannot actually love each other and then saying that homosexuals need to love the opposite sex.

What do I expect? I can't defend myself here? Nonsense.

There is no reasonable justification for your comments nor is there any rational justification to consider homosexuality wrong in the first place. I can most certainly defend myself here. Pretending like your sense of morality that does not allow individual thought and rationality is the only one that exists is simply not true. I can choose to defend myself here if I like, and I will definitely choose to do so if you are just going to make insulting comments.

Nazarene77 · #10 3rd April 2003, 11:41 PM

This is a Forum to discuss Morality and Philosophy, not to attack someone else's philosophy.

You have been reported twice now.