The Stipulations of the Prophetic Office...

OddlotColloquy · #11 6th November 2006, 10:50 PM

Originally Posted by Upon_This_Rock

I agree very much.

Without sharing my agreement or non-agreement, where is the biblical basis to support this?

Adammi · #12 6th November 2006, 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by OddlotColloquy

Without sharing my agreement or non-agreement, where is the biblical basis to support this?

I think that would go in with humility wouldn't it?

OddlotColloquy · #13 6th November 2006, 11:14 PM

But what of the following passage?

1 Peter 4:8-11
8 And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.
9 Use hospitality one to another without grudging.
10 As every man hath received the gift, even so minister the same one to another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God.
11 If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Adammi · #14 6th November 2006, 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by OddlotColloquy

But what of the following passage?

1 Peter 4:8-11
8 And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.
9 Use hospitality one to another without grudging.
10 As every man hath received the gift, even so minister the same one to another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God.
11 If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

I don't see how that relates to someone not being offended for someone not refering to them as "Prophet Bill".

OddlotColloquy · #15 6th November 2006, 11:25 PM

This is what I had trouble with:

I'd say offhand the FIRST thing must be that he or she be made a person who has no attachment whatsoever to such a title

The words 'first' and 'must' accented the statement quite succinctly. I was not aware that you were focusing on the next part of the statement, about being called by others 'prophet' so-and-so.

As for that, I don't think that a prophet would care if someone calls them prophet or not. I can't think of a situation where it would be appropriate to say something like "hey, buddy, that's prophet bob... get it right" ...

OddlotColloquy · #16 6th November 2006, 11:28 PM

I don't think we can understand the "prophetic office" to the point that we can say a prophet's job is relegated to one specific task or another.

As for me, if today I am called to prophesy and tomorrow I am called to teach, and the next day I am called to silence, I hope I will be content to be just as God wants me to be.

I try to hold what God gives me with an open hand.

Moriah_Conquering_Wind · #17 6th November 2006, 11:34 PM

Oddlot, why are you trying to pick me apart over an opinion??? The OP asked for an opinion and I gave one. There is a difference between sharing an opinion from my head and sharing something claimed to be the Word of God.

If I wanted to, I could totally build a case for the exact opposite of what my opinion is by wrangling scripture to make it sound like it was advocating we all go scrapping and scrambling after just such a title. After all, Paul does write, "Follow the way of love and eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially the gift of prophecy." (1 Cor 14:1). Of course that would be wresting that verse out of context, as his intent in the passage is to show that love is supreme over all and that prophecy is a superior gift to tongues, because apparently the Corinthians were total tongues-fanatics to the point where it was unbalancing them. But still, taking that verse on its own, and especially putting it together with a line from 12:31 ("covet earnestly the best gifts...") can certainly make it seem as though nothing would qualify one MORE for the prophetic gift or role than scrambling greedily after it.

Still, I don't get why you are having a "go" at me for simply having answered a question that invited me to share my opinion on something. *shrug*

OddlotColloquy · #18 6th November 2006, 11:43 PM

Moriah,

my apologies. I sincerely apologize, as I see what you are saying. I don't know what's wrong with me as of late, but let me say that it is me at fault here and not you.

if an explanation helps, here is one... I read your statement as a sort of "absolute" for your assertion that a prophet should have no association with the title whatsoever. The only way I saw this as possible is (and I have witnessed this, and I believe it happens each Lord's day) if you were talking about someone being used by God as a prophet without their knowledge.

I wanted to highlight that we are encouraged to speak as we are given the words to speak from God.

Again, my sincere apologies. I am not as I should be.

Moriah_Conquering_Wind · #19 6th November 2006, 11:50 PM

It's OK Oddlot, I forgive you.
I am aware that I have certain difficulties attendant to my choice of words as well; apparently words mean much different things to others when they read them, than they do to me when I use them. I'm still a little baffled by that realisation and not entirely sure how to "repair" or "remedy" that situation. Sometimes it feels like my own personal blasted tower of Babel in here (ummm, meaning inside my head, not meaning in CF!)

IXOYE5 · #20 7th November 2006, 02:15 AM

Originally Posted by Moriah_Conquering_Wind

It's OK Oddlot, I forgive you.
I am aware that I have certain difficulties attendant to my choice of words as well; apparently words mean much different things to others when they read them, than they do to me when I use them. I'm still a little baffled by that realisation and not entirely sure how to "repair" or "remedy" that situation. Sometimes it feels like my own personal blasted tower of Babel in here (ummm, meaning inside my head, not meaning in CF!)