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1st April 2003 at 09:40 PM lucaspa said this in Post #4
But doesn't Genesis 6:7 and 6:17 say the Flood will kill ALL "living thngs"?
We are told that all "flesh" that has the "breath of life" will be destroyed. Also, we are told they will be detroyed out of the land of Eden. The word Adamah is used.
The evidence is overwelming for a local flood. What you need to do is quit screwing around and quit playing games. The area that God flooded is now called Iraq and there is a serious war going on over there.
4300 years ago, there could have been no war, because it all would have been underwater. The first cleansing is with water, but the second cleansing will be with fire.
2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.
What sort of "fervent heat" does it take for elements to melt?
The day of the Lord is coming and you need to be ready. You need to allow God to prepare you for that day.
1) They would have died in the flood. As it would have made the water more fresh, injuring or killing the whales. Possibly killing their food. The falling water would have made it hard, if not impossible to breath successfull for 40 days.
2) Gen 7:23 says everything that wasnt on the ark died. So either god lied to us, or the whales needed to be on the ark to survive.
2nd April 2003 at 07:32 PM look said this in Post #8
I gotta ask. Why would you put water mammals in the ark?
Only a snip at people who pretend to take the entire bible literally, but then ignore and distort the bible to fit their views.
An example is all the theories that the fish survived the flood.
even though Gen 7:23 says "And every living substance was destroyed [that wasnt on the ark]"
So the theory that fish or insects survived off the ark, is Not taking the bible literally.
2nd April 2003 at 07:41 PM look said this in Post #9
OK, I'll bite. What do you mean, "They seem to 'forget' what the Bible says when it doesn't fit in with their views"? You wouldn't be 'sniping' at Christians on their own forum, now would you? I'm just wondering if I am guilty of reading a 'tone' in your post, or if you were condescending to the Believers?
2nd April 2003 at 10:42 PM Frumious Bandersnatch said this in Post #10
Because the Bible says that everything with the breath of life its nostrils died in the flood and they have nostrils and breath. It also does say in a following verse that everything on dry land died so maybe YECs could weasel out of it that way.
Just because they breath does not mean they have the breath (rawach) of life.
Genesis 6:3
And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
Rawach here is refered to as "My" spirit by God. This is a referance to the Holy Spirit of God. The same Holy Spirit that was poured out on the Church on the day of Pentacost.
It is the Holy Spirit of God that does a work in us to save us. If you do not have the Holy Spirit, you will be destroyed. Only those who have the "Rawach" or the Spirit of God, will be saved.
I wonder, has anyone talked about the earth's magnetic field? Also, can anyone please explain why there are trees standing up through different strata, instead of remaining in their respective strata?
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2nd April 2003 at 11:16 PM look said this in Post #15
I wonder, has anyone talked about the earth's magnetic field?
This has been discussed many times on this very forum.
The Earth's magnetic field fluctuates in both magnitude and polarity over time. This is something well documented in not only magnetized minerals on continental rocks but magnetic signatures on the seafloor.
Also, can anyone please explain why there are trees standing up through different strata, instead of remaining in their respective strata?
Trees are rooted in lower strata, and occasional flooding can cause additional sedimentary deposits to form on top. This has never been a problem for geology.
Furthermore, this isn't related to the topic (and neither was your post), but here is a list of threads refuting YECism and flood geology that are conveniently ignored or plagued with already-refuted evidence every time they are mentioned (though usually ignored...):
My thread on 12 features in the Grand Canyon that cannot exist under a global flood/young earth model
Im not sure I understand what you mean about the trees.
However, some talk has been done about the earths magnetic field.
The earths magnetic field flip flops ever so often (we havent found a good way to predict when yet). But we know it does because of the Mid ocean ridge. The mid ocean ridge is a ridge at the middle of the ocean where Lava flows out, cools and then slowly spreads apart on the ocean floor. It keeps spreading till it reaches the edge and it folds under another crust. As the lava flows out, the minerals magnetic field get oriented in a certain way, when they cool, the orientation sticks. So the ocean floor has a record of magnetic field flips going back many thousands (maybe millions, I would need to actually look that up) years.
2nd April 2003 at 08:16 PM look said this in Post #15
I wonder, has anyone talked about the earth's magnetic field? Also, can anyone please explain why there are trees standing up through different strata, instead of remaining in their respective strata?
2nd April 2003 at 11:34 PM Arikay said this in Post #17
So the ocean floor has a record of magnetic field flips going back many thousands (maybe millions, I would need to actually look that up) years.
The oldest oceanic lithosphere is somewhere in the ballpark of 180 million years old.
We not only have the oceanic lithosphere record, but we can also look at magnetized basalts (or other rocks with magnetic minerals) on continents which can be even older--that's where paleomagnetism comes from and we can figure out the movement of the plates over time.
There's a great paleomap site out there that has animations of the data over long periods of time...I'm not sure if I can find it at the moment...
I am not surprised to see a desire on the part of the YECs to change the subject to some topic from the PRATT list of long refuted young earth pseudo evidences.
How about trying to deal with insect diversity? How do you think ground dwelling insects survived a flood that lasted a year and rearranged all the world geology? How about Mayflies? How about Monarch Butterflies? How about all those other insects I discussed? Do you think Noah had a forest on board complete with a stream that ran through it?
How many flood falsifications must you see before you realize that the flood of Noah was not a global flood? We have run through quite a list here but I still have some more.
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Perhaps I should have clarified my magnetic field question. I'll try again.
The earth's magnetic field has been measured for the past 150 years. The records indicate that the field has been decaying much like the half-life spans of radioactive materials. The decay rate show that the field will not be capable of supporting life in approximately 2,000 years. Furthermore, reverse extrapolation reveals that only 20,000 years ago, the field would have been as strong as a magnetic star. Life would not even be capable of going through mitosis. The field would have been way too strong for even amoebas to live. The findings indicate that life was only possible for the past 6,000 to 10,000 years. Any information on that?
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