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31st March 2003, 06:11 PM
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Do you think that Bible has changed(in the last few thousand years) or Not? Why?
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31st March 2003, 06:22 PM
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Reps: 250 (power: 0) | | | I do not think that the Bible has changed at all! It is God's infalible revalation to mankind and it's truthes are timeless.
How we interpret it may change however. With regards to the subject of this forum, which is what I assume you were getting at, people assumed that the creation account was literal until recently because there was no reason to think otherwise. However, with the massed evidence from our obeservations of the World and the Universe we now have reason to believe that this is a metaphorical account. Totally afirming that it is "God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness" but noteing that this does not promise literal historical accuracy.
__________________ "Wherefore say, Behold, I give unto him my covenant of peace:
And he shall have it, and his seed after him, even the covenant of an everlasting priesthood;
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31st March 2003, 06:25 PM
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Yes, the Bible has changed over time. No original manuscript exists. There are hundreds of differences in the existing manuscripts for any given book of the Bible. These differences are conclusive evidence for additions/editing that have been made by various translators/scholars over time.
The notion that the Bible is unchanged or is indeed the inspired word of God is simply a circular argument among fundamentalists. If indeed it were meant to be the inspired word of an all-knowing Creator, it would be clear, concise, and not subject to debate.
The fact that no two people here can agree on the meaning of any single verse stands as evidence against it.
and my simple question... why was the Apocrypha deleted from the KJV?
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31st March 2003, 06:27 PM
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31st March 2003, 06:31 PM
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Some people have mentioned in other threads here that stuff to do with witchcraft was not present in the Bible prior to King James. I haven't verified this, so I don't know if it's true or not.
We'll get to that part eventually Pete. 
As well as some truths behind King James and his motives.
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31st March 2003, 06:34 PM
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The fact that no two people here can agree on the meaning of any single verse stands as evidence against it.
The reason why people debate on the subject is because they interpert the Bible differently.
This thread should be more like 'has the Bible changed in the laster few thousand years' 
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31st March 2003, 06:40 PM
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The reason why people debate on the subject is because they interpert the Bible differently.
This thread should be more like 'has the Bible changed in the laster few thousand years'
Wouldn't the inspired written word of an all-knowing Creator be clear, concise and not subject to different interpretations was my point????
Where did the Apocrypha go?
Why is the Jewish Bible different from the KJV OT?
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31st March 2003, 06:48 PM
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Reps: 250 (power: 0) | | | Actually, I do agree with Smilin. I believe the origional scriptures were inspired, but of course we do not have these. We have to do the best we can deciding which of the manuscripts we do have are the most accurate, deciding what counts as scripture and accurately translating it. You should not think that your Bible translation is God's directly dictated letter to you.
I am still an evangelical though, as there are enough manuscripts around to have confidence in them and the translations are all very similar in meaning (although of course the language of the KJV is very different to the NIV).
__________________ "Wherefore say, Behold, I give unto him my covenant of peace:
And he shall have it, and his seed after him, even the covenant of an everlasting priesthood;
because he was zealous for his God,
and made an atonement for the children of Israel."
Num 25:12-13 [KJV] |
31st March 2003, 06:54 PM
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31st March 2003, 06:58 PM
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Yes, the Bible has changed over time. No original manuscript exists. There are hundreds of differences in the existing manuscripts for any given book of the Bible. These differences are conclusive evidence for additions/editing that have been made by various translators/scholars over time.
But the fact that there are many different interpretations just shows that we live in a very complicated world in which there are few black and white issues.
As for the Apocrypha, the rest of the OT is quoted many times by Jesus and the apostles, wheras the Apocrypha was not quoted once by them, and only once in and NT book, Jude, one of the few potentially doubtful NT books.
__________________ "Wherefore say, Behold, I give unto him my covenant of peace:
And he shall have it, and his seed after him, even the covenant of an everlasting priesthood;
because he was zealous for his God,
and made an atonement for the children of Israel."
Num 25:12-13 [KJV] | | |
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