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27th October 2006, 02:22 PM
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Reps: 649,870,252,266,019 (power: 649,870,252,276) | | I am a christian that does not care too much about Christmas. Christmas is a white mans holiday. It is the pegans holiday winter solstice. and now a days it is so commercialized, it makes me sick.
here are some links that tells you about the original christmas http://paganwiccan.about.com/cs/abou.../paganxmas.htm http://www.locksley.com/6696/xmas.htm
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27th October 2006, 05:42 PM
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27th October 2006, 05:48 PM
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There is something very structurally awkward about that clause that I can't put my finger on.
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27th October 2006, 05:54 PM
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Reps: 13,634 (power: 22) | | Originally Posted by OhhJim  Does this mean God's hedge of protection is back? Whose turn is it to trim the hedge, anyway?
Someone else will have to do it. I hate yardwork.
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27th October 2006, 06:01 PM
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Reps: 6,932 (power: 0) | | | Christmas is about giving? Well that is really reinforcing to the Christmas commercialization. You need to buy things in order to give them and lots of companies make lots of money and stores enter into the profitability phase of the year, etc. Every year I get stressed out because someone's feelings will be hurt if I don't spend money I don't have to buy them something they don't care about. I resent Christmas more every year, and yet people still perpetuate the Christmas is about giving thing. If Christmas is about giving I want no part of it. |
27th October 2006, 06:20 PM
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Reps: 17,908 (power: 34) | | Originally Posted by marblehead Please, not another "War On Christmas", the only people who care to be so petty seem to be misguided Christians and maybe a few nonchristian nuts.
Get attention some other way and stop bothering the rest of us with your bogus "war".
srsly. its not even close to xmas
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27th October 2006, 06:23 PM
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Reps: 17,908 (power: 34) | | Originally Posted by LovesTruth I have noticed this too. Christianity and the Bible seem especially targetted for liberal hostility and censor. Fortunately there are enough of us on the other side to outweigh them at the ballot box. Remember that this coming election, and vote for the party most likely to tolerate your faith. You all know which one that is!
Christians seem to be "targeted" the most because they're the most prevalent, and they also make the most transgressions.
And you should vote democrat if you wish for the state to respect freedom of religion for all. If you want to be cajoled by false promises (again), then vote Repug.
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29th October 2006, 09:19 AM
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Reps: 10,211 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by reverend B i see you didn't have enough defendable argument to respond to my post, just rhetoric. my defense is the ministry of Jesus Christ, what is yours? why do expect the government, which is forbidden from evangelizing by both Christ and the constitution, to do the job for us, who are called to do it? why did neither Christ nor the disciples petition Rome or encourage others to influence government to do their evagelism for them? Thanks for your comments. >> i see you didn't have enough defendable argument to respond to my post, just rhetoric. I didn't think your lengthy post merited a reply. When I read it the first time, I felt it was too long and too wordy. Sorry, but it just didn't interest me. >> my defense is the ministry of Jesus Christ, what is yours? Defense of what? Sorry, but this is unclear. >> why do [you] expect the government, which is forbidden from evangelizing by both Christ and the constitution, to do the job for us, who are called to do it? I am unsure what you mean. Evangelicals don't require the gov't to evangelize. In fact we wrote the US Constitution to enforce government neutrality, so government cannot evangelize. On the other hand, honoring God with civic prayers and calling 'Christmas' by its proper name, 'Christmas', is not evangelizing. Is that what you mean? >> why did neither Christ nor the disciples petition Rome or encourage others to influence government to do their evagelism for them All Paul asked was equality of treatment; so do we. Unlike the Roman dictatorship, the USA is a republic. As my childhood pastor said, "In America, WE are the government." That means we set the rules and are responsible to God for the kind of government we create. We the people have created a government that does not endorse an establishment of religion (like a state church) yet is free to honor God and to call a religious holiday by it proper name. Anything else leads to pure anti-faith censorship... and we know where that comes from.  |
29th October 2006, 09:27 AM
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Reps: 5,538 (power: 14) | | Originally Posted by LovesTruth Anything else leads to pure anti-faith censorship... and we know where that comes from.
Pray tell, where exactly does "anti-faith censorship" come from?
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29th October 2006, 11:14 AM
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Reps: 16,210,875,343 (power: 16,210,889) | | Why do Christians put up trees, when they were prohibited in the Bible? Originally Posted by Jeremiah 10:2-4 Thus says Yahweh, "Don't learn the way of the nations, and don't be dismayed at the signs of the sky; for the nations are dismayed at them.
3 For the customs of the peoples are vanity; for one cuts a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman with the axe.
4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it not move.
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Though in fairness, I should present the rebuttal: Jeremiah 10 and Christmas Trees. It argues, convincingly, that the Bible referred to pagan idols, carved from wood ("axe" is better translated "chisel") and ornamented with silver and gold.
But either way, a decorated tree for a winter holiday isn't a Christian invention. It's silly that in a holiday purportedly about sharing and loving, Christians want exclusive naming rights to a custom they borrowed from other cultures.
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