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Unread 25th October 2006, 04:10 PM
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Calvinist Views on women preaching,leading and Homosexuality?

doesnt the Presbyterian church ordain openly gay men? what about women? what are calvinist views on this? also doesnt a women run the presbyterian church now? just wondering because the calvinism is started to get to me for some reason, I find myself listening alot to Macarthur and R.C sproul instead of Stanley and other baptists....
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Unread 25th October 2006, 07:01 PM
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doesnt the Presbyterian church ordain openly gay men? what about women? what are calvinist views on this? also doesnt a women run the presbyterian church now? just wondering because the calvinism is started to get to me for some reason, I find myself listening alot to Macarthur and R.C sproul instead of Stanley and other baptists....
My church is Reformed Baptist rather than Presbyterian. We don't ordain women as pastors or elders, though women do just about anything else that isn't specifically prohibited in the Bible. As for gay men, we recognize that to be openly gay is to actively embrace a sinful lifestyle. So no, my church would not ordain a gay man.

I'm guessing that Presbyterians will have almost identical views on these issues. But keep in mind that there are two major Presbyterian denominations in America, the PCA and the PCUSA. The PCA is orthodox in doctrine, the PCUSA tends to be more lax on such things. In fact, I think the PCUSA recently endorsed homosexuality as permissible.
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Originally Posted by Koontzy View Post
doesnt the Presbyterian church ordain openly gay men? what about women? what are calvinist views on this? also doesnt a women run the presbyterian church now? just wondering because the calvinism is started to get to me for some reason, I find myself listening alot to Macarthur and R.C sproul instead of Stanley and other baptists....
What Presbyterian church? You have to realize there are many Presbyterian denominations in the U.S. and around the world. These Presbyterian denominations range from theologically Liberal, to more Evangelical or Fundamentalist, to conservative Reformed. The more liberal ones ordain female elders, while the moderate and conservative ones do not. In the more liberal Presbyterian denomination in the U.S. (the Presbyterian Church in the U.S.A) there have been some sessions/congregations pushing the gay issue, and although there has been some debate, as far as I know the general assembly has not yet approved the ordination of openly gay men and women.
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What Presbyterian church? You have to realize there are many Presbyterian denominations in the U.S. and around the world. These Presbyterian denominations range from theologically Liberal, to more Evangelical or Fundamentalist, to conservative Reformed. The more liberal ones ordain female elders, while the moderate and conservative ones do not. In the more liberal Presbyterian denomination in the U.S. (the Presbyterian Church in the U.S.A) there have been some sessions/congregations pushing the gay issue, and although there has been some debate, as far as I know the general assembly has not yet approved the ordination of openly gay men and women.
My denom. (PCA-Presbyterian Church in America) does not ordain women or homosexuals.

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Presbyterianism describes a biblical form of government. There are denominations that utilize this form that have long ago departed from orthodoxy. There are some teetering on the edge, and others firmly planted in the truth. But the foundations of presbyterianism are rooted in the restorations of the reformation. Ordaining women or sodomites would be a clear sign of apostasy to me.
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Presbyterianism describes a biblical form of government. There are denominations that utilize this form that have long ago departed from orthodoxy. There are some teetering on the edge, and others firmly planted in the truth. But the foundations of presbyterianism are rooted in the restorations of the reformation. Ordaining women or sodomites would be a clear sign of apostasy to me.
I agree, especially on the issue of ordaining homosexuals. It's very unfortunate that any church in modern times would ordain a person who openly approves of a sinful lifestyle. This seems not very different from ordaining an open adulter (as a matter of fact, the Episcopal Church's famous "gay bishop" divorced his wife in order to live with his current male companion).
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Originally Posted by Koontzy View Post
doesnt the Presbyterian church ordain openly gay men?
No.
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what about women?
The largest, most liberal denomination does.
Even there many churches within the denomination will not call women as pastors.
To the right of them, no.
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what are calvinist views on this?
Following the Scriptures conservative calvinists generally will not call women to teach or be an authority over men. Elders are described typically as men. However, in some denominations emerging from the forced vows of the larger, more liberal denomination, you will find churches who will continue to honor the vows their predecessors made in the ordination of specific women as elders. Vow-taking is a serious matter to most Presbyterians (cf. Westminster Confession).
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also doesnt a women run the presbyterian church now?
In the largest, most liberal denomination, yes. In more conservative denominations, it's prohibited.
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just wondering because the calvinism is started to get to me for some reason, I find myself listening alot to Macarthur and R.C sproul instead of Stanley and other baptists....
Most of your questions would be roughly the equivalent of asking a Southern Baptist about what Baptists believe. Given Tony Campolo and a variety of liberal Baptists, it's not possible to pin down either Baptists or Presbyterians on exactly what "presbyterians" believe.
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I am an elder at a Presbyterian Church. We have a femal Pastor that is very good. The spirit is in her. I have witnessed her struggle with a sermon only to find out on Sunday that it fit in to an event that was unknown at the time.

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I am an elder at a Presbyterian Church. We have a femal Pastor that is very good. The spirit is in her. I have witnessed her struggle with a sermon only to find out on Sunday that it fit in to an event that was unknown at the time.

Michael
You are an elder in an apostate denomination. Leave it if you are a Christian. Any "spirit" that would move a woman to teach in Church is not the Spirit of the Lord. Why would God contradict Himself? Coincidents are not always "signs from God', especially when they come in a form in conflict with plain scripture.

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Originally Posted by Koontzy View Post
doesnt the Presbyterian church ordain openly gay men? what about women? what are calvinist views on this? also doesnt a women run the presbyterian church now? just wondering because the calvinism is started to get to me for some reason, I find myself listening alot to Macarthur and R.C sproul instead of Stanley and other baptists....
The PCA doesn't. The PCUSA does. When you refer to the Presbyterian church you should state which one.
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