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this was taken from a website called "The Preacher's Files" but it makes sense, and is part of the reason why i am a Christian.
One of the biggest problems with atheism is the ultimate conclusion one must make with regard to morality. If there is no God, there is no moral giver. No moral-giver, no morals.
No morality, nothing wrong with killing. Stepping on a roach and killing a baby=same thing without morals.
"every effect has an adequate cause"
The fly didn't knock the building down. A nuclear explosion wasn't caused by a firecracker. The Gettysburg adress wasn't written by an ape. The INCREDIBLE intracacies of life weren't caused by the chemical reactions of inanimate rocks, dirt, and slime.
Some scientists assert that it all started with the "Big Bang."
1. They never explain who or what provided the energy for the bang.
2. They never explain how the physical realm came into being.
3. The empty vacuum of space itself must have an explanation.
Again, every effect must have an adequate cause.
Toy--toy maker
shoe--shoe maker
watch--watchmaker
house--housemaker
universe--universe maker
man--man maker
If life did not come from God then only matter is left. Two problems.
1. Science has yet to record an instance where life of any kind came from inanimate matter.
2. If matter is creator, than matter is eternal. If something exists now then something must have always existed. However, this flies in the face of the scientists own observations (ie. the second law of thermodynamics.) This law says that energy is becoming more and more unusable. The universe is winding down and will come to an end. This implies a beginning. Therefore matter is not eternal, it is an effect that must have a cause. In Hebrews 1:10-12, we see that the bible stated long ago this law that we have only recently "discovered." Cause and effect IS a reality true science recognizes.
these are just some of the reasons why i believe in a creator, but alot of my faith comes from the bible. I firmly believe that if more people would read the bible, and pick apart what the words are saying than we would have less atheism, and people would see that they can find the RIGHT answer within the text.
Today at 03:22 AM NoahK said this in Post #1
One of the biggest problems with atheism is the ultimate conclusion one must make with regard to morality. If there is no God, there is no moral giver. No moral-giver, no morals
No arbitrary morals, true. No morals at all, patently false.
Again, every effect must have an adequate cause.
Toy--toy maker
shoe--shoe maker
watch--watchmaker
house--housemaker
universe--universe maker
man--man maker
Well, Atheism doesnt = lack of morals. Many atheist find morals without god. Even beyond that, since atheists lack god, they also lack something to blame when they do something wrong. Many fanatics, who kill and murder, say god told them to do it, or that they did it for god. Since atheists dont have a god, they cant blame him for their actions (this of course, only fits for fanatics )
There are quite a few Theistic evolutionists that believe in evolution (remember, all evolution is is the change of animals to adapt to their environment) and in gods creation of the universe at the same time.
The big problem with this article, is that, although it makes some good statements, it also confuses things. It confuses atheism with evolution and evolution with other scientific theories.
I happen to be someone who believes in Creation and is interested in science. Science has no opinion on God. God's existence does not nullify science, and the existence of science does not nullify God. In fact, for me, science strengthens God's existence, because science is the study of God's Creation.
-The fact that there was a Big Bang does not mean that there wasn't a creator to start it.
-The fact that life evolved on this planet does not mean that there wasn't a creator to begin or guide the process.
No morality, nothing wrong with killing._ Stepping on a roach and killing a baby=same thing without morals.
So why aren't all atheists out there killing babies, then? Babies can be pretty annoying sometimes, yet I don't see many reports of atheists killing babies because they were screaming or throwing up or blocking the aisle in the supermarket. How come murderers aren't disproportionately atheist? How come so few atheists kill people if kiling is OK?
And how dare you say that atheists think that there's nothing wrong with killing, without providing some solid evidence. That is simply wicked. It's the sort of demonising that really fractures society. Good grief - the person who wrote that piece didn't even give it as his opinion, he presented it as solid fact.
Must remember - not all Christians are such hateful bigots - Christianity does have some good points - sometimes it gets hard to remember what they are, though.
__________________ "Sadly, biblical literalism brings not only the bible but Christianity itself into disrepute." - The Rt. Revd. Richard Harries, Anglican Bishop of Oxford.
One of the biggest problems with atheism is the ultimate conclusion one must make with regard to morality. If there is no God, there is no moral giver. No moral-giver, no morals.
No morality, nothing wrong with killing. Stepping on a roach and killing a baby=same thing without morals.
Wrong. God is not requisite for morals.
"every effect has an adequate cause"
The fly didn't knock the building down. A nuclear explosion wasn't caused by a firecracker. The Gettysburg adress wasn't written by an ape. The INCREDIBLE intracacies of life weren't caused by the chemical reactions of inanimate rocks, dirt, and slime.
Personal incredulity. Not compelling.
Some scientists assert that it all started with the "Big Bang."
1. They never explain who or what provided the energy for the bang.
2. They never explain how the physical realm came into being.
3. The empty vacuum of space itself must have an explanation.
Since science can't explain it, therefore God. But if science gets around to explaining it...
Again, every effect must have an adequate cause.
Toy--toy maker
shoe--shoe maker
watch--watchmaker
house--housemaker
universe--universe maker
man--man maker
As has already been pointed out, God -- God creator.
If life did not come from God then only matter is left. Two problems.
1. Science has yet to record an instance where life of any kind came from inanimate matter.
2. If matter is creator, than matter is eternal. If something exists now then something must have always existed. However, this flies in the face of the scientists own observations (ie. the second law of thermodynamics.)This law says that energy is becoming more and more unusable. The universe is winding down and will come to an end. This implies a beginning. Therefore matter is not eternal, it is an effect that must have a cause.
Indeed our own universe appears to be "winding down". Yet, we can only chart back our own space-time to the beginning of that very space-time. What comes before that and whether or not the laws of thermodynamics even apply is anyone's guess.
Again, every effect must have an adequate cause.
Toy--toy maker
shoe--shoe maker
watch--watchmaker
house--housemaker
universe--universe maker
man--man maker
God--????
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"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger." -- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
You can say the Big Bang has always existed in the same manner that God has always existed. Outside our universe there is no time. So "always" is pretty meaningless concept. But whatever you say about God, you can say about the Big Bang. In the extreme, you can consider the Big Bang a "God" with no inteligence and just one action.
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