Home | Be a Christian | Devotionals | Join Us! | Forums | Rules | F.A.Q.


Go Back   Christian Forums > Congregation > Christian Communities > The Ancient Way - Eastern Orthodox
Register BlogsPrayersJobsArcade Calendar Mark Forums Read

The Ancient Way - Eastern Orthodox The forum for Eastern Orthodox churches (such as Greek, Russian, Antiochian, etc).

Closed Thread
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #21  
Old 22nd October 2006, 10:27 PM
rusmeister's Avatar
Contributor

48 Gender: Male Married Faith: Eastern-Orthodox Country: United States Member For 5 Years
View Profile Pic
 
Join Date: 9th December 2005
Location: Russia
Posts: 5,785
Blessings: 1,172,718
Reps: 652,795,748,693,580,672 (power: 652,795,748,693,593)
rusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond repute
rusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond repute
One thing that my mother found wierd (and I still do) is what one brochure described about picking up and eating Gift that had been spit out by someone else.

I suppose the same might apply to Gift that had been spilled and stepped on...

Not to be gross, but it was something that turned off my mother.
__________________
“There are a dozen views about everything until you know the answer. Then there is never more than one.”


― C.S. Lewis, That Hideous Strength
Become a CF Site Supporter Today and Make These Ads Go Away!

  #22  
Old 22nd October 2006, 10:30 PM
MariaRegina's Avatar
Love is patient; love is kind; love does no evil

Gender: Female Married Faith: Eastern-Orthodox Country: United States Member For 5 Years Prayer Team Shepherd
 
Join Date: 26th June 2003
Posts: 53,950
Blessings: 9,897,877
My Mood Inspired
Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,854,840)
MariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond repute
MariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond repute
Sometimes it is best not to mention spills and accidents to the inquirers or it might gross them out.

It is definitely not a topic for the faint-hearted.
__________________
O Theotokos and Virgin, Rejoice!
O Mary, Full of Grace,
The Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women,
And blessed is the fruit of thy womb,
For thou hast borne the Savior of our souls.

+ + + + +

Glory to Jesus Christ!
Glory Forever!
O Giver of Life, Glory to Thee!
  #23  
Old 22nd October 2006, 11:30 PM
Jacob4707's Avatar
Senior Veteran

Gender: Male Married Faith: Non-Denominational Country: United States Member For 5 Years
 
Join Date: 27th December 2005
Location: Dallas, TX area
Posts: 3,329
Blessings: 111,427
Reps: 14,527 (power: 25)
Jacob4707 is a splendid one to beholdJacob4707 is a splendid one to beholdJacob4707 is a splendid one to beholdJacob4707 is a splendid one to behold
Jacob4707 is a splendid one to beholdJacob4707 is a splendid one to beholdJacob4707 is a splendid one to beholdJacob4707 is a splendid one to beholdJacob4707 is a splendid one to beholdJacob4707 is a splendid one to beholdJacob4707 is a splendid one to beholdJacob4707 is a splendid one to beholdJacob4707 is a splendid one to beholdJacob4707 is a splendid one to beholdJacob4707 is a splendid one to beholdJacob4707 is a splendid one to beholdJacob4707 is a splendid one to beholdJacob4707 is a splendid one to behold
Originally Posted by Aria View Post
Sometimes it is best not to mention spills and accidents to the inquirers or it might gross them out.

It is definitely not a topic for the faint-hearted.
Can't you just wipe/pick it up with a cloth and burn it?
  #24  
Old 22nd October 2006, 11:46 PM
MariaRegina's Avatar
Love is patient; love is kind; love does no evil

Gender: Female Married Faith: Eastern-Orthodox Country: United States Member For 5 Years Prayer Team Shepherd
 
Join Date: 26th June 2003
Posts: 53,950
Blessings: 9,897,877
My Mood Inspired
Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,854,840)
MariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond repute
MariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond reputeMariaRegina has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by KATHXOYMENOC View Post
Can't you just wipe/pick it up with a cloth and burn it?
Yes, I saw that done at the Antiochian Cathedral when a baby spit up the Holy Eucharist along with a lot of regurgitated milk.

However, wasn't it St. John of San Francisco who ate the vomit of a sick man to whom he had just communed? And didn't this sick man have a contagious disease? The saint did not get sick in spite of the fears of the medical community.
__________________
O Theotokos and Virgin, Rejoice!
O Mary, Full of Grace,
The Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women,
And blessed is the fruit of thy womb,
For thou hast borne the Savior of our souls.

+ + + + +

Glory to Jesus Christ!
Glory Forever!
O Giver of Life, Glory to Thee!
  #25  
Old 23rd October 2006, 12:08 AM
repentant's Avatar
Orthodoxy: Debunking heretics since 33 A.D.

33 Gender: Male Faith: Eastern-Orthodox Country: United States Member For 5 Years
View Profile Pic
 
Join Date: 2nd September 2005
Location: US of A
Posts: 7,072
Blessings: 150,643
Reps: 14,407 (power: 0)
repentant is a splendid one to beholdrepentant is a splendid one to beholdrepentant is a splendid one to beholdrepentant is a splendid one to behold
repentant is a splendid one to beholdrepentant is a splendid one to beholdrepentant is a splendid one to beholdrepentant is a splendid one to beholdrepentant is a splendid one to beholdrepentant is a splendid one to beholdrepentant is a splendid one to beholdrepentant is a splendid one to beholdrepentant is a splendid one to beholdrepentant is a splendid one to beholdrepentant is a splendid one to beholdrepentant is a splendid one to beholdrepentant is a splendid one to beholdrepentant is a splendid one to behold
Originally Posted by KATHXOYMENOC View Post
Can't you just wipe/pick it up with a cloth and burn it?
I was just goin to say that.


Originally Posted by Aria View Post
Yes, I saw that done at the Antiochian Cathedral when a baby spit up the Holy Eucharist along with a lot of regurgitated milk.

However, wasn't it St. John of San Francisco who ate the vomit of a sick man to whom he had just communed? And didn't this sick man have a contagious disease? The saint did not get sick in spite of the fears of the medical community.

That's why he's a Saint. The Body of Christ is more important to him than the chance of getting a disease. I believe though it is a "knowledge" within Orthodoxy that no one will get sick from the Eucharist. Like if a person with TB goes before, you wouldn't get TB from the spoon.

Don't know if it's been proven..
  #26  
Old 23rd October 2006, 07:47 AM
ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs's Avatar
forgivensinner001/Dust and Ashes/Slambo

Gender: Male Married Faith: Eastern-Orthodox Member For 5 Years
 
Join Date: 19th June 2006
Posts: 819
Blessings: 111,164
Reps: 21,339 (power: 28)
ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs is a splendid one to beholdThePosterFormerlyKnownAs is a splendid one to beholdThePosterFormerlyKnownAs is a splendid one to behold
ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs is a splendid one to beholdThePosterFormerlyKnownAs is a splendid one to beholdThePosterFormerlyKnownAs is a splendid one to beholdThePosterFormerlyKnownAs is a splendid one to behold
Originally Posted by repentant View Post
That's why he's a Saint. The Body of Christ is more important to him than the chance of getting a disease. I believe though it is a "knowledge" within Orthodoxy that no one will get sick from the Eucharist. Like if a person with TB goes before, you wouldn't get TB from the spoon.

Don't know if it's been proven..
I doubt it's been verified in any way that would satisfy science but I remember reading an account of a priest visiting a TB ward to serve Communion to some sick people. One of the medical people was scoffing at the priest for using the same spoon for all of them. When the priest told him that disease couldn't be passed with the spoon, he was mocked. One of the patients coughed up a glob of blood and the priest scooped it up with the spoon and ate it to show the guy. He never became ill.

I can't remember where I read it as it's been a while but I remember very clearly reading it.
__________________
Be excellent to each other. -- Bill S. Preston, Esq.

Party on, dudes! -- Ted "Theodore" Logan
  #27  
Old 23rd October 2006, 08:16 AM
Orthocat's Avatar
Veteran

Gender: Male Faith: Eastern-Orthodox Country: United States Member For 5 Years
View Profile Pic
 
Join Date: 8th June 2006
Posts: 1,563
Blessings: 1,097,857
My Mood Fine
Reps: 46,564 (power: 54)
Orthocat is a splendid one to beholdOrthocat is a splendid one to beholdOrthocat is a splendid one to behold
Orthocat is a splendid one to beholdOrthocat is a splendid one to beholdOrthocat is a splendid one to beholdOrthocat is a splendid one to beholdOrthocat is a splendid one to beholdOrthocat is a splendid one to beholdOrthocat is a splendid one to beholdOrthocat is a splendid one to beholdOrthocat is a splendid one to beholdOrthocat is a splendid one to beholdOrthocat is a splendid one to behold
Originally Posted by ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs View Post
I doubt it's been verified in any way that would satisfy science but I remember reading an account of a priest visiting a TB ward to serve Communion to some sick people. One of the medical people was scoffing at the priest for using the same spoon for all of them. When the priest told him that disease couldn't be passed with the spoon, he was mocked. One of the patients coughed up a glob of blood and the priest scooped it up with the spoon and ate it to show the guy. He never became ill.

I can't remember where I read it as it's been a while but I remember very clearly reading it.

While I commend the priest....I would have thrown up.
__________________
Unveil my eyes,
And I shall discern the wonders of thy law.
I am a stranger on earth;
Hide not thy commandments from me.

-Psalm 118: 18-19
  #28  
Old 23rd October 2006, 11:54 AM
rusmeister's Avatar
Contributor

48 Gender: Male Married Faith: Eastern-Orthodox Country: United States Member For 5 Years
View Profile Pic
 
Join Date: 9th December 2005
Location: Russia
Posts: 5,785
Blessings: 1,172,718
Reps: 652,795,748,693,580,672 (power: 652,795,748,693,593)
rusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond repute
rusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond reputerusmeister has a reputation beyond repute
I think some of those ideas do go overboard. There's something just...wrong about them. To me as Gift it's already been used by someone else (and accepted or rejected) and it seems like a kind of showmanship to do something repulsive to prove a point.

That said, I have no problem with eating off the floor, if necessary.
__________________
“There are a dozen views about everything until you know the answer. Then there is never more than one.”


― C.S. Lewis, That Hideous Strength
  #29  
Old 23rd October 2006, 11:58 AM
Happy Orthodox's Avatar
Senior Member

30 Gender: Female Faith: Eastern-Orthodox Country: United States Member For 5 Years
View Profile Pic
 
Join Date: 9th August 2004
Location: The lone star state
Posts: 837
Blessings: 1,065,955
My Mood Thinking
Reps: 1,500,999,370,691,558 (power: 1,500,999,370,700)
Happy Orthodox has a reputation beyond reputeHappy Orthodox has a reputation beyond reputeHappy Orthodox has a reputation beyond reputeHappy Orthodox has a reputation beyond reputeHappy Orthodox has a reputation beyond reputeHappy Orthodox has a reputation beyond reputeHappy Orthodox has a reputation beyond reputeHappy Orthodox has a reputation beyond reputeHappy Orthodox has a reputation beyond reputeHappy Orthodox has a reputation beyond reputeHappy Orthodox has a reputation beyond reputeHappy Orthodox has a reputation beyond reputeHappy Orthodox has a reputation beyond reputeHappy Orthodox has a reputation beyond reputeHappy Orthodox has a reputation beyond repute
Happy Orthodox has a reputation beyond reputeHappy Orthodox has a reputation beyond reputeHappy Orthodox has a reputation beyond reputeHappy Orthodox has a reputation beyond reputeHappy Orthodox has a reputation beyond reputeHappy Orthodox has a reputation beyond reputeHappy Orthodox has a reputation beyond reputeHappy Orthodox has a reputation beyond reputeHappy Orthodox has a reputation beyond reputeHappy Orthodox has a reputation beyond reputeHappy Orthodox has a reputation beyond reputeHappy Orthodox has a reputation beyond reputeHappy Orthodox has a reputation beyond reputeHappy Orthodox has a reputation beyond reputeHappy Orthodox has a reputation beyond repute
Wohow, Aria, you were right, this thread's topic has gone from praying for visitors to eating insects to consuming the spitted or vomited Body of Christ... Btw, in my parish an infant threw up after communion on the ground, and they had to burn the spot with a machine (don't know what it's called). I think doing thigs like that is only possible with the help of the Holy Spirit. People like me, on the other hand, need a burinng machine...


I think some of those ideas do go overboard. There's something just...wrong about them. To me as Gift it's already been used by someone else (and accepted or rejected) and it seems like a kind of showmanship to do something repulsive to prove a point.

AYP Forgive me
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

  #30  
Old 23rd October 2006, 12:06 PM
eoe's Avatar
Death to the world!

38 Gender: Male Married Faith: Eastern-Orthodox Member For 5 Years
 
Join Date: 4th October 2005
Location: Why? Why Georgia Why?
Posts: 6,056
Blessings: 81,381
My Mood Serious
Reps: 15,295,480,149 (power: 15,295,494)
eoe has disabled reputation
However, wasn't it St. John of San Francisco who ate the vomit of a sick man to whom he had just communed? And didn't this sick man have a contagious disease? The saint did not get sick in spite of the fears of the medical community.
It was a woman with rabies. I imagine that it was more of being spat out than vomited.
Vladika's constant attention to self-mortification had its root in the fear of God, which he possessed in the tradition of the ancient Church and of Holy Russia. The following incident, told by 0. Skopichenko and confirmed by many from Shanghai, well illustrates his daring, unshakable faith in Christ. "Mrs. Menshikova was bitten by a mad dog. The injections against rabies she either refused to take or took carelessly ... And then she came down with this terrible disease. Bishop John found out about it and came to the dying woman. He gave her Holy Communion, but just then she began having one of the fits of this disease; she began to foam at the mouth, and at the same time she spit out the Holy Gifts which she had just received. The Holy Sacrament cannot be thrown out. And Vladika picked up and put in his mouth the Holy Gifts vomited by the sick woman. Those who were with him exclaimed: `Vladika, what are you doing! Rabies is terribly contagious!' But Vladika peacefully answered: `Nothing will happen; these are the Holy Gifts.' And indeed nothing did happen."
There is absolutely no reason whatever to have anything of this sort printed in a newbie booklet. If anything like that were to happen - the last person in the world that would be expected or even allowed to take action would be the inquirer. Even then they would not be standing at the chalice anyway.
__________________
Ἀνοίξω τὸ στόµα µου, καὶ πληρωθήσεται Πνεύµατος,
καὶ λόγον ἐρεύξοµαι τῇ βασιλίδι Μητρί·
καὶ ὀφθήσοµαι, φαιδρῶς πανηγυρίζων,
καὶ ᾄσω γηθόµενος,
ταύτης τὰ θαύµατα.


Last edited by eoe; 24th October 2006 at 08:38 AM.
Closed Thread


Return to The Ancient Way - Eastern Orthodox

Thread Tools
Display Modes


 
Become a CF Site Supporter Today and Make These Ads Go Away!


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:26 AM.