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22nd October 2006, 10:27 PM
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I suppose the same might apply to Gift that had been spilled and stepped on...
Not to be gross, but it was something that turned off my mother.
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22nd October 2006, 10:30 PM
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It is definitely not a topic for the faint-hearted.
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22nd October 2006, 11:30 PM
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Reps: 14,527 (power: 25) | | Originally Posted by Aria Sometimes it is best not to mention spills and accidents to the inquirers or it might gross them out.
It is definitely not a topic for the faint-hearted.
Can't you just wipe/pick it up with a cloth and burn it? | 
22nd October 2006, 11:46 PM
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Yes, I saw that done at the Antiochian Cathedral when a baby spit up the Holy Eucharist along with a lot of regurgitated milk.
However, wasn't it St. John of San Francisco who ate the vomit of a sick man to whom he had just communed? And didn't this sick man have a contagious disease? The saint did not get sick in spite of the fears of the medical community.
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23rd October 2006, 12:08 AM
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Reps: 14,407 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by KATHXOYMENOC Can't you just wipe/pick it up with a cloth and burn it?
I was just goin to say that. Originally Posted by Aria Yes, I saw that done at the Antiochian Cathedral when a baby spit up the Holy Eucharist along with a lot of regurgitated milk.
However, wasn't it St. John of San Francisco who ate the vomit of a sick man to whom he had just communed? And didn't this sick man have a contagious disease? The saint did not get sick in spite of the fears of the medical community.
That's why he's a Saint. The Body of Christ is more important to him than the chance of getting a disease. I believe though it is a "knowledge" within Orthodoxy that no one will get sick from the Eucharist. Like if a person with TB goes before, you wouldn't get TB from the spoon.
Don't know if it's been proven.. | 
23rd October 2006, 07:47 AM
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Reps: 21,339 (power: 28) | | Originally Posted by repentant That's why he's a Saint. The Body of Christ is more important to him than the chance of getting a disease. I believe though it is a "knowledge" within Orthodoxy that no one will get sick from the Eucharist. Like if a person with TB goes before, you wouldn't get TB from the spoon.
Don't know if it's been proven..
I doubt it's been verified in any way that would satisfy science but I remember reading an account of a priest visiting a TB ward to serve Communion to some sick people. One of the medical people was scoffing at the priest for using the same spoon for all of them. When the priest told him that disease couldn't be passed with the spoon, he was mocked. One of the patients coughed up a glob of blood and the priest scooped it up with the spoon and ate it to show the guy. He never became ill.
I can't remember where I read it as it's been a while but I remember very clearly reading it.
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23rd October 2006, 08:16 AM
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Reps: 46,564 (power: 54) | | Originally Posted by ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs I doubt it's been verified in any way that would satisfy science but I remember reading an account of a priest visiting a TB ward to serve Communion to some sick people. One of the medical people was scoffing at the priest for using the same spoon for all of them. When the priest told him that disease couldn't be passed with the spoon, he was mocked. One of the patients coughed up a glob of blood and the priest scooped it up with the spoon and ate it to show the guy. He never became ill.
I can't remember where I read it as it's been a while but I remember very clearly reading it.
While I commend the priest....I would have thrown up.
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23rd October 2006, 11:54 AM
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That said, I have no problem with eating off the floor, if necessary.
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23rd October 2006, 11:58 AM
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Reps: 1,500,999,370,691,558 (power: 1,500,999,370,700) | | Wohow, Aria, you were right, this thread's topic has gone from praying for visitors to eating insects to consuming the spitted or vomited Body of Christ... Btw, in my parish an infant threw up after communion on the ground, and they had to burn the spot with a machine (don't know what it's called). I think doing thigs like that is only possible with the help of the Holy Spirit. People like me, on the other hand, need a burinng machine... I think some of those ideas do go overboard. There's something just...wrong about them. To me as Gift it's already been used by someone else (and accepted or rejected) and it seems like a kind of showmanship to do something repulsive to prove a point.
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23rd October 2006, 12:06 PM
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Reps: 15,295,480,149 (power: 15,295,494) | | However, wasn't it St. John of San Francisco who ate the vomit of a sick man to whom he had just communed? And didn't this sick man have a contagious disease? The saint did not get sick in spite of the fears of the medical community.
It was a woman with rabies. I imagine that it was more of being spat out than vomited. Vladika's constant attention to self-mortification had its root in the fear of God, which he possessed in the tradition of the ancient Church and of Holy Russia. The following incident, told by 0. Skopichenko and confirmed by many from Shanghai, well illustrates his daring, unshakable faith in Christ. "Mrs. Menshikova was bitten by a mad dog. The injections against rabies she either refused to take or took carelessly ... And then she came down with this terrible disease. Bishop John found out about it and came to the dying woman. He gave her Holy Communion, but just then she began having one of the fits of this disease; she began to foam at the mouth, and at the same time she spit out the Holy Gifts which she had just received. The Holy Sacrament cannot be thrown out. And Vladika picked up and put in his mouth the Holy Gifts vomited by the sick woman. Those who were with him exclaimed: `Vladika, what are you doing! Rabies is terribly contagious!' But Vladika peacefully answered: `Nothing will happen; these are the Holy Gifts.' And indeed nothing did happen."
There is absolutely no reason whatever to have anything of this sort printed in a newbie booklet. If anything like that were to happen - the last person in the world that would be expected or even allowed to take action would be the inquirer. Even then they would not be standing at the chalice anyway.
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