Essentially, is this the position of a large # of people?

That our universe, not in it's entirety of course, but at it's origin, came from, essentially, nothing. And that life came from non-life. And that not only life came from non-life, but that a single-celled organism, is responsible, as it is the supposed origin, of all forms of life on the planet, Earth. And that from this meager single cell came, eventually, a human, as we know it. And that somewhere along the way the laws of physics and chemistry somehow accounted for human emotion, a concept of good and evil, and the ability to reason, or to deny reason.

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That our universe, not in it's entirety of course, but at it's origin, came from, essentially, nothing.

* Not quite, but close. The universe is believed to have originated out of some sort of vacuum. There are a number of theories on how this may have occured, and no definitive answer will be reached until more information is available. A vacuum is not "nothing" it has certain properties which essencially makes it "something". Many physicists concur that the amount of stuff in the universe (matter, dark matter and energy) is equally balanced with "dark energy" which leads to conclude that the sum of everything = 0.

And that life came from non-life.

* Yes. Amino acids can be created from raw elements (nitrogen, carbon, oxygen and hydrogen) in a lab, if you injest these amino acids and they become incorporated into your body (proteins) does non-live not become life. The same thing when you fertilize your lawn with chemical fertilizers, or when a plant converts nonliving water and carbon dioxide to complex carbohydrates in its' cell walls via photosynthesis.

And that not only life came from non-life, but that a single-celled organism, is responsible,


* Not a one single single-celled organism. But rather a whole population of cingle celled organisms. It is believed, based on evidence, that the earth once harboured pre-biotic condiditons (chemical systems that are borderline to the definition of life). This included self replicating molecules and self replicating protocells (microspheres). This situation must have been present over vast areas of the early globe.

as it is the supposed origin, of all forms of life on the planet, Earth. And that from this meager single cell came, eventually, a human, as we know it.

* All life has a common ancestor, yes. However, this does not mean that one single little cell is responsible for it all.

And that somewhere along the way the laws of physics and chemistry somehow accounted for human emotion, a concept of good and evil, and the ability to reason, or to deny reason.

* Yep.  That overwhelming feeling of love and awe that one has watching ones children grow, or the feeling of satisfaction one gets from a job well done, or the outrage one feels when confronted with some great injustice in the world - it all is a result of physical processes obeying the laws of physics in your head and body.

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Where did all these different elements that supposedly created life come from?? Did they all just appear out of nothing??

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Dont let yourself get caught up in evolutions word games.

They have many intelligent sounding explanations that for the most part are summed up in your post.

They break out their can of '' well, its a little more than that'' to try to persuade, but when the debate smoke clears, they have very little to stand on other than misguided speculation.

Late_Cretacious, I find the blurb underneath your name fitting :-)
"The sum of everything = nothing"

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That's nearly as accurate a summary of evolution as "There's this bronze-age sky god who killed himself to make himself stop being so vengeful and destructive towards creatures who are incapable of moral action anyway" is of Calvinist Christianity.

The combination of errors and loaded words is quite impressive, and in the end, makes your post more a troll than any possible starting point for debate.

If you wanted a more accurate summary, it would be something to the effect of:

"We don't know where the universe came from, but the evidence suggests that, about 14 billion years ago, matter and energy started expanding out rapidly from a central point. After a great deal of time had passed, and solar systems and planets had begun forming, life arose; the exact mechanism is not known, but it may well be rooted in the tendency for some simple proteins to duplicate themselves chemically. Once life arose on Earth, reproduction, mutation, and selection pressures led to the formation of multiple different kinds of life, which eventually gave us the diversity that we have today, including humans. Basic thought appears to be a useful adaptive trait in very complicated creatures, and this, coupled with successful instincts, could be the physical basis of emotions, morality, and rational thought. It is impossible to say whether or not this process was influenced, but many people have experiences which lead them to believe in souls or other supernatural entities, but science is silent on this question."

So, people who accept theistic evolution might say "this process was the means by which God created us", and secular humanists might say "we don't really know why it happened, but now that we're here, let's be nice to each other, okay?".

A particular flaw in your misrepresentation is the use of "came from nothing" when you should be saying "nothing is known about where it came from". You seem to believe that every story is utterly complete, and has no unknowns, no mysteries, in it. This is not typically the case.

If you found a man, dead, with a gunshot wound, and no gun in the room, I can imagine you posting:

"What these forensicists would have us believe is that no-one shot the man, and then took the gun away!"

because the forensics people might not have any particular suspects in mind.

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Thanks Truth in Faith, I just added that last week. More acccurately, it should say the sum of everything equals zero, but this sounded better to me.

Where did all those elements come from? Nucleosynthesis, in the core of stars creates elements. After the Big Bang, the only elements in existance were Hydrogen, Helium and a little Lithium. In the center of a star hyrdrogen is converted to helium, as occurs in our Sun. It releases a tremendous amount of energy and powers all life on earth (it even powers the electricity for yyour computer unless your power is supplied by geothermal or tidal energy). The processes of stellar evolution (the life of a star) are well known. As the star dies more, heavier elements are created then shed into interstellar space. There they can coalesce into new planets and stars. Our sun, is likely a second generation star in that its entire contents were once part of a larger - now expired star. All the elements on earth, and in your body were forged in the furnace of that long dead star. As Carl Sagan said "We are star stuff".


Doen't that just give you the warm and fuzzies.

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I encourage you to get a group of 5,000 or so random persons together and proceed to tell them that their ancestor is a simple protein. They will either laugh out loud or walk slowly and cautiously away from the crazy guy

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A wonderful display of colorful explanations proving exactly squat.....

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It seems your intent is to simply disrupt this thread instead of contributing to it. Why don't you give it a rest?