Wisdom

Andrea Elizabeth · #1 14th October 2006, 08:34 AM

I thought a new thread would be a nice place to put this post and any responses.

Originally Posted by Mark Downham

Andrea

Wisdom! YOU are going to be known for Your Heavenly Wisdom and it will greatly increase!

I pray God's wisdom does increase in me. At Church the priest says, “Wisdom, let us attend” before Bible readings. If we attend, pay attention, to God, our wisdom should increase. That is, if we take it to heart, which is what I’m trying to learn to do. I want to respond less intellectually and analytically to things, but learn to go with the unexplanable, unpredictable voice of the Holy Spirit inside of me. As I believe we all should, and what Mark is teaching me to do just by his presence. God’s ways are higher than our ways, so He gets worked out in our hearts before our heads many times. This is what my church teaches, and is possibly why the Bible lists the heart first in these, some of my favorite verses.

Deut. 4:29. But if from thence thou shalt seek the Lord thy God, thou shalt find Him, if thou seek Him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.

Deut. 6:5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Deut. 10:12 And now, Israel, what doth the Lord thy God require of thee, but to fear the Lord thy God, to walk in all His ways, and to love Him, and to serve the Lord thy God with all thy Heart and with all thy soul.

Proverbs 2:10 When wisdom entereth into thine heart, and knowledge is pleasant unto thy soul; 11 Discretion shall preserve thee, understanding shall keep thee.

Matt. 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

Mark 12:33 And to love Him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.

The mind is included in heart and soul, as is our body when He adds loving Him with all our strength, but it is not the cheifest thing. Our minds are to be subject to our hearts, where Christ dwells. We must learn to listen and attend to Him there.

Thank you Mark, for your very kind and encouraging words. You encourage us to become more united with God's Word, our Lord Jesus Christ, to whom be all the glory and praise henceforth and forever more, unto Ages of Ages, Amen.

(to be continued, God willing and helping me.)

Mark Downham · #2 14th October 2006, 08:49 AM

Sandy Millar has observed that trying to describe spiritual perception [heartknowledge] with an exact theological language is like trying to describe the inner beauty of the sunset using algebraic equations - you can describe an abstract rational or scientific form, but not the real substance of the Encounter.

I really like this on the POWER of real Spiritual Heart Encounter, in receiving Spiritual Wisdom in and through our Spiritual Formation and Daily Devotions:

The mind is included in heart and soul, as is our body when He adds loving Him with all our strength, but it is not the cheifest thing. Our minds are to be subject to our hearts, where Christ dwells. We must learn to listen and attend to Him there. - Andrea Elizabeth.

The WORD spoken to Andrea: "Wisdom! YOU are going to be known for Your Heavenly Wisdom and it will greatly increase!"

My Ministry is to speak prophetically into Ministry, Destiny and Purpose and to release potential in the service of the LORD Jesus Christ and I use Prophetic WORDS of Intercession, Declaration and Apostolic Command.

My treatment of Prophetic and Apostolic Contingency is the relationship between the Invisible and the Visible, between the Promise and the Release and there is a Divine Shift between the Contingent and the Established - what we are called to do is speakin Faith to Potential and allow the HOLY Spirit and the Testimony of the LIVING Word to make it Actual - this is our Spiritual Formation and with Andrea, I have spoken to Spiritual Wisdom and MUCH More! I have called forth Spiritual Wisdom and her Ministry as a Spirit Bearer.

Andrea Elizabeth · #3 14th October 2006, 09:15 AM

I was not really wrestling with human agencies -not really - when it comes to asking the question: "who is programming YOU?" - there is a difference between threads which endlessly list concordances on Hebrew and Greek meanings -which is information - just 'mind food' and threads which minister His LIFE - Impartation - 'spiritual food' -information leads to programming, impartation leads to partaking and participation....Heavenly Provision.

I believe Mark is talking about the Life-Creating property of words here. God spoke the world into existence, Christ is the Word of God. Words and thoughts have power. I’m beginning to see a difference between information and impartation, but they both use words. If we speak from our hearts, spirits, and soul which are becoming united to Christ’s heart, Spirit, and soul, then His Word will not return void. Yet even information is from God as it describes His creations, so it is not useless. But there’s a mystery about adding God’s intentionality, His Will, His direct direction, where the information becomes inspired and Life-Giving in a miraculous and mysterious way. His Word, united with our hearts, and spoken by us, and attended by others is Life Giving. The abundant Life. The Abiding Life. Where our whole lives, heart, soul, mind, and strength (bodies) are becoming more and more conformed to His Image and Likeness. So that as He is in this world, so are we.

Ephesians 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

Your ministry is Impartation NOT Information and so it has the POWER of Transformation and the capacity to move Mountains and break the grip of 'deep programming' and release captives and break the power of captivities and there will come a time when you will speak a single word or simply lift your hand and HIS POWER will go forth in an irresistible way - it is not far off BUT it is not just yet, ALTHOUGH it is soon as the Bible understands soon in human affairs and it in this context that means soon and very soon.

This is what God intended for us since the beginning. That we would grow in His Image and Likeness. St. Athanasius in the 300’s made famous an older teaching that “God became Man so that man could become god.” This sounds audacious, but Mark is not afraid of this language, and neither were the Church Fathers or teachings of the Orthodox Church.

Mark Downham · #4 14th October 2006, 09:19 AM

My primary purpose is not to focus on Prophetics as past, present and future but on the progressive movement and shift from earthly 'shadow' realities to Heavenly 'substantial' realities in how we live our lives as witnesses to the Truth. This is Deification or Sanctification and how we become more like Jesus and develop the MIND of Christ.

barbaraclarke · #5 14th October 2006, 09:39 AM

James
1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; 1:3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.
1:4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
1:6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
1:7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
1:8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
1:9 Let the brother of low degree rejoice in that he is exalted: 1:10 But the rich, in that he is made low: because as the flower of the grass he shall pass away.
1:11 For the sun is no sooner risen with a burning heat, but it withereth the grass, and the flower thereof falleth, and the grace of the fashion of it perisheth: so also shall the rich man fade away in his ways.
1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
1:16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.
1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

Andrea Elizabeth · #6 14th October 2006, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by Mark Downham

My primary purpose is not to focus on Prophetics as past, present and future but on the progressive movement and shift from earthly 'shadow' realities to Heavenly 'substantial' realities in how we live our lives as witnesses to the Truth. This is Deification or Sanctification and how we become more like Jesus and develop the MIND of Christ.

Yes, our minds conformed to His Mind, focused on His heart of Love.

God is Love.

Andrea Elizabeth · #7 14th October 2006, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by barbaraclarke

James
1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; 1:3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.
1:4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
1:6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
1:7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
1:8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
1:9 Let the brother of low degree rejoice in that he is exalted: 1:10 But the rich, in that he is made low: because as the flower of the grass he shall pass away.
1:11 For the sun is no sooner risen with a burning heat, but it withereth the grass, and the flower thereof falleth, and the grace of the fashion of it perisheth: so also shall the rich man fade away in his ways.
1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
1:16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.
1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

Yes, Barbara, you have asked, and you shall receive. I very much admire your strength, love, and wisdom. May these grow in all of us!

barbaraclarke · #8 14th October 2006, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by Andrea Elizabeth

Yes, Barbara, you have asked, and you shall receive. I very much admire your strength, love, and wisdom. May these grow in all of us!

.

Andrea Elizabeth · #9 14th October 2006, 10:04 AM

Leanne Payne reached out her right hand and just the tips of her fingers lightly touched my chest - she did not even speak and I felt the raw POWER of her IMPARTATION - Absolutely awesome - the only thing that kept me on my feet in that moment was the WORD of GOD living and active in me through the HOLY Spirit -YOU will move in this type of MINISTRY and it is going to be AWESOME!

Luke 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask Him?

Barbara brought out the excellent point of the importance of asking. And God will either directly or indirectly through someone else give us the Holy Spirit, who enables communion with the Trinity. There is awesome power in asking.

John 7:37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, “If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

I love this asking prayer that Mark gave me:

Heart Prayer (Based on Ephesians 1: 17-19):

Father, my all consuming passion, my burning desire is that I receive more of the fullness and release of the Holy Spirit in my life, the Spirit of wisdom, insight, knowledge (Yada - Hebrew for relational knowledge - knowledge gained through intimacy - Heartknowledge), understanding and discernment and that you draw me further in and further up, from shadow to substance, that you draw me deeper into our love relationship, which is your opening of your self to me and my submission to you.

Lord Jesus Christ, less of me and more of you, cover me with your grace, rock of ages cleft for me, let me hide myself in you and experience you manifesting more of yourself in me. Please draw me further and deeper into the reality of your presence and into the transformation of your likeness so that my love may be complete! Through your presence Holy Spirit in my spirit, I commit myself to be governed, taught and led by You as You are the Spirit of increasing and unfolding Revelation, who is at work in my life, changing me from glory to glory.

Holy Spirit, I welcome you, I call to you, I am reaching out for you, I am on fire for your fullness and release in my life, sweep through me Breath of God like a mighty rushing wind, I want to be caught up in your slipstream - please remove any influences, obstacles, hindrances, strongholds, barricades, barriers, thoughts, mindsets, worldviews, beliefs, attitudes, intentions, motivations, behaviours that may resist you Holy Spirit from consuming everything, filling me totally and dwelling in me, from flowing in, through, around, over, under and out through my life - let your fire fall right now and purify me, sanctify me.

Please grant this to me by your shed blood Lord Jesus that I may be supernaturally equipped, enabled and released to know you beyond mere rational abstract informational knowledge - open my heart, your word is truth, pour your self into me and enter in as I enter in to you, as I am with you and in you in the Jordan in the presence of the Trinity. I want you to grab hold of me Lord Jesus Christ and pull, so that I may know you in an ever deeper relational way as my closest friend, just as I am known by you and deeply loved by you. Holy Spirit be my counsellor, be my comforter, be my paraclete - throw your mantle of fire around my shoulders, this eternal weight of glory, let it be all consuming, but not consumed - do not let it fall to the ground.

Now I ask Father that in your loving tenderness, you open the lens, the eyes of my heart and through the Lord Jesus say let there be light as the Holy Spirit fills my "inner man, my inner woman", my inner being, my spirit with your Love, your Word, your Presence and your Increasing Revelation as I draw closer and closer to you. Pour your Glory and your Luminous Real Presence into my open Heart, right now, into and through the Eyes of my Heart! Quicken your word in me, Lord Jesus, you are the word become flesh at work in me, help me to grow more like you.

Fill my heart with your loving kindness, your glorious presence, Lord Jesus, let your glory pass by through me, so that I can know the hope, the testimony, the witness and promise of your goodness, power, humility and strength - your calling, purpose and destiny in my life. Thank you for the increasing joy of your presence as you sing and call to us - grace me now, as I shout back grace, grace to you the cornerstone - I want to be plunged into your mighty river flowing through me.

I declare that I will have an ever deepening relationship and receive the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in your face as I see you face to face - Lord, I am the jar of clay in your hands, the treasure is within - this wellspring, this fount of wisdom, insight, understanding and discernment - well up, fill me and overflow - pour your self through me, Holy Spirit and pour me out in your service, make me a living well of revival.

I also pray that the light of your word, Lord Jesus will flood my whole being - my "inner man, my inner woman" and my "outer man, my outer woman" - so that I may know and experience the surpassing greatness of your power towards me. Lord give me a powerful inner life and make me a believing believer. I call this forth in my life, as your servant and witness and I declare I will follow the Lamb all the days of my life and win for the Lamb the rewards of his suffering, for the honour, glory and greatness of your name, in the earthly and heavenly places, as it is all being summed up in you Lord Jesus Christ and you will fill everything.

Amen.

Andrea Elizabeth · #10 14th October 2006, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by barbaraclarke

I Always could use more wisdom

We have eternity to grow in His ways. We'd probably pop if we got it all at once. Though Mark seems to have gotten a few hefty doses! I seem to progress at a much slower pace.