Would you support abortion under special circumstances?

how about "none"?

i didn't vote.

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Only if the mother was in grave danger.

There would also be lots of praying to make the right decision.

in no situation is it right, it is still murder no man or woman has the right to murder and abortiobn is murder!

There are certain types of pregnancies where the death of the mother and child is a 100% certainty. Not 50% or not 90% but 100%.

That would certainly justify terminating the pregnacy.

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I have thus far been unable to find anything in God's Written Word that justifies abortion. Women have died in childbirth since the begining of time and I suppose they always will. That is a sad fact of life. Nevertheless, I have not found it listed as justification for abortion.

My heart is sad that anyone dies this way and I grieve for those Mothers who have comitted this horror. I know one, personally who is a Christian now and each year on what was to have been her baby's birthday, she grieves uncontrollably. Only her faith in Jesus and His forgiveness gets her through it at all.

The consequences of abortion are endless pain, and the price is just too high.

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Hi all!

I offer a recycled post:

I (an orthodox Jew) quote from a book I have on the (orthodox!) Jewish approach to various medical issues by Rabbi Dr. J. David Bleich:

"Judaism regards the killing of an unborn child to be a serious moral offense. An abortion may be performed only for the gravest of reasons, and even then, only subsequent to consultation with a competent [orthodox] rabbinic authority...The life of the mother takes precedence over that of the unborn child. Thus, when 'hard travail' of labor endangers the life of the mother, an embryotomy may be performed in order to save her...The fetus' right to life is subordinate to that of the mother, and hence the life of the unborn fetus may be sacrificed in order to save her...The performance of an abortion may be warranted for purposes of preserving maternal health as well as maternal life. No [orthodox rabbinic] authority permits an abortion which is non-therapeutic in nature. There are early rabbinic authorities who expressly declare that ritual laws such as Sabbath observance and fasting on Yom Kippur are suspended in order to preserve the life of the fetus. Suspension of such significant religious observances is clearly incompatible with indiscriminate license to destroy fetal life. Both the argument that a prospective mother may seek an abortion for any reason because denial of this right would interfere with her 'right to privacy' as well as the argument that the decision to abort is entirely a matter between a woman and her physician must be rejected as incompatible with Jewish teaching...Judaism teaches that man does not enjoy unrestricted proprietary rights with regard to his own body, much less so with regard to the body of an unborn child...The Talmud teaches that embryo is endowed with a soul at conception. Moreover, the Sages taught: 'There are 3 partners in the generation of man - the father, the mother and God.' Accordingly, a decision to terminate pregnancy is not one which is within the exclusive domain of the mother...It is well established that the quality of life to be anticipated if the fetus is carried to term is not, in itself, a sufficient reason for the performance of an abortion...Physical or mental abnormalities do not affect the human status of the individual or his right to life...Most authorities rule that termination of pregnancy resulting from rape is not permissible. However, the immediate post-coital contraceptive measures undertaken prior to fertilization of the ovum present a different but complex Jewish-law question. Immediate removal of the semen by means of a suction device...would be warranted."

Thus, normative (i.e. orthodox) Judaism absolutely rejects abortion as a means of birth control. I certainly object to government funding for abortions that are non-therapeutic in nature.

However, we would completely reject vigilante violence against doctors, nurses, etc. who are involved in abortions (as well as inciting to violence against them) & to bombing clinics. Opposition to non-therapeutic abortions must be carried out within the bounds of the law.

Questions?

Be well!

ssv

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Eleanor of Aquitaine: Of course he has a knife. He always has a knife. We all have knives. It's 1183 and we're barbarians. How clear we make it. Oh, my piglets, we're the origins of war. Not history's forces nor the times nor justice nor the lack of it nor causes nor religions nor ideas nor kinds of government nor any other thing! We are the killers; we breed war. We carry it, like syphilis, inside. Dead bodies rot in field and stream because the living ones are rotten. For the love of God, can't we love each other just a little? That's how peace begins. We have so much to love each other for. We have such possibilities, my children; we could change the world. (From The Lion in Winter)

A thread from December on abortion.

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/29336.html

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I would rather die than have to live with killing an unborn child.

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Fine. I said the same thing at first to my doctor when he broke the news to me.

I'm truly amazed at the ignorance of some of the posters on such a complicated issue.

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Huh, and here I was thinking the only unforgivable sin was blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

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