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Excellents posts Ezra. I was edified, the Holy Spirit bearing witness. thanks.


How do you explain all the evidence for an ancient earth and evolution? Do you just pretend it doesn't exist, because that won't make it go away.
you need to make a distinction between evidence (like the bones and fossils) and the interpretation of that evidence, which is either evolutionistic or creationistic.

You state what you stated simply cos you've been indoctrinated by secular systems to believe that the evidence supports evolution. To another scientist, the evidence can just as well support creationism. so which wld you choose. A science that is based on the God's unchanging Word and wisdom, or one that is based on man's ideas and ever-changing theories.
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Andrew,

The evidence (like the bones and fossils) was used by scientists to determine that the world was old and there never was a world wide flood before evolution was put forward as a theory.

You are discussion geology, not biology (evolution).

You cannot base scientific theories on a preconceived notion. You must allow them to change with the evidence. There have been no successfully scientific theories arising from creation scientists because they do not support them adequately against falsification with evidence and they start with an unchanging pre-conceived notion base on their limited interpretation of the bible. Their science is based not on the word of God, but by their fallible interpretation of that word.
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Their science is based not on the word of God, but by their fallible interpretation of that word.
not true at all. In fact, evolution is that false science warned of in Timothy.
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Andrew,

Evolution aside, do you think that geology is a "false science"? How about archeology? How about physics?
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not true at all. In fact, evolution is that false science warned of in Timothy.
No, it refers to Gnosticism not evolution:

"O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen." 1 Timothy 6:20, 21

In the latter passage the word "science" is from the Greek word gnosis. This is the root of the word "gnosticism" which, says Paul, is a "false knowledge" and is not only deceptive but also at odds with "the faith once delivered to the saints."

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Yesterday at 04:04 PM wblastyn said this in Post #16
No, it refers to Gnosticism not evolution:
Why should it be so difficult to accept that "gnosis" applies to BOTH false metaphysical knowledge (Gnosticism) and false physical knowledge (evolution).  Since evolution makes God a liar, it is in itself A LIE which speaks the same lie as the Father of Lies "Yea, hath God said...? (Gen.3:1)  "Ye shall not surely die... but be as gods" (Gen. 3:5). The first lie applies both to evolution and Gnosticism and the second primarily to Gnosticism:


Pseudo-scientific evolution says "Yea, hath God said..?"
  • That He created everything in just six days?
  • That all creatures were separate and distinct from each other, and do not have a common ancestor?
  • That man was a special creation "in the image of God"?
  • That man was able to communicate with his Creator from the day that he was created?
  • That God not only created life forms on earth but that He spoke the worlds into existence?

Pseudo-spirituality -- "philosophy and vain deceit" (Gnosticism) says (Colosssians 2:8-23):
  • You are not a sinner, but a "god" in the making
  • Esoteric knowledge is the means of salvation, not the blood of Christ
  • Christ Himself is nothing but a highly evolved angel
  • Worshipping of angels is spiritual
  • Acestism is spiritual
  • Dietary prohibitions are spiritual

The theory of evolution was designed to cause men to reject the authority, the reliability, and the accuracy of Scripture.  Theistic evolution teaches that believers must speculate about matters which are critical to sound doctrine. Everything about the Gap Theory and the Day-Age theory blatantly controverts what is specifically and literally taught in the Ten Commandments regarding six literal, consecutive 24-hour Hebrew days which begin at sunset and go to sunset.  That in itself should make us extremely wary, since the Ten Commandments are supreme in Scripture [under Christ supernaturally transformed into "AGAPE" in the believer].

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Ezra,

Was geology also designed to cause men to reject the authority, the reliability, and the accuracy of scripture as well?

Geology was used to falsify a young earth and world wide flood long before evolution was investigated by science.
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Either your interpretation of scripture is right and God's creation is wrong and God has been lying to us by planting false evidence, or your interpretation of scripture is wrong and God's creation is right.
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Yesterday at 07:47 PM notto said this in Post #18
Ezra,
Was geology also designed to cause men to reject the authority, the reliability, and the accuracy of scripture as well?
Geology was used to falsify a young earth and world wide flood long before evolution was investigated by science.

In one sentence, geology folows evolutionary theory, and if evolutonary theory reject the authority of Scripture, then that also follows. It is not necessarily deliberate, but by consciously excluding God from the equation, "science" becomes pseudo-science. A genuine scientist can worship the living God and praise Him for His natural laws.  Also believe that God did not even need six seconds to create the universe. This quote below from Jack C. Sofield on the Gap Theory (available on the Internet) summarizes geology's position.

"...The geologic ages represent the time scale of the standard geologic column. This so-called “column” is composed of animal and plant fossil remains found in layers of sedimentary and igneous rock. These remains are arranged in layers and interpreted by geologists and paleontologists to present a record of gradual developmental sequences that propose to demonstrate the gradual evolutionary change of simple forms of animal or plant life into different, more complex forms. The record of ascendancy is thought to be from simpler forms in very ancient times to the more complex forms in modern times. Figure 1. shows a simplified diagram of the geologic column with the postulated life forms and their assumed age eras. It is most important to understand that in the “geologic column” the ages of the various layers are determined by the <I>form of the fossil remains</I> found therein. Older levels in the column are “old” <I>only</I> because they contain what are believed to be simpler, more primitive, less developed or incompletely evolved life forms. The invertebrates are assumed to have evolved first, followed by fish, amphibians, reptiles and mammals in that order. It should be obvious that the basis of the structure and arrangement of the geologic column is the concept of slowly evolving life forms which in reality and fact is the THEORY OF EVOLUTION as proposed by Charles Darwin in 1859.

One can easily disclaim his or her adherence to, or belief in, evolution, but acceptance of the geologic column with its attendant “ages” contradicts this claim. The situation is an either/or one. As the old adage so well expresses it, “one cannot have his cake and eat it too.”
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