Young Earth creationists! Meet the challenge! God wants YOU!

JohnR7 · #11 9th March 2003, 05:44 AM

Yesterday at 11:06 PM Nathan Poe said this in Post #5

Humor us, Johnny. There're the fish, here's the barrel, take your best shot.

Yep, but first you guys said your going to show me a biologist who knows what they are talking about. It maybe easier for you to find Big Foot and prove he exists then to produce a biologist that can convince me that he knows what he is talking about.

chickenman · #12 9th March 2003, 06:14 AM

ken miller, look him up on google john

chickenman · #13 9th March 2003, 06:16 AM

Yep, but first you guys said your going to show me a biologist who knows what they are talking about. It maybe easier for you to find Big Foot and prove he exists then to produce a biologist that can convince me that he knows what he is talking about.

i don't think they're particularly interested in convincing you of anything john, i'm beggining to lose interest (and patience) myself

PhantomLlama · #14 9th March 2003, 08:43 AM

Today at 10:36 AM JohnR7 said this in Post #9 (http://www.christianforums.com/showt...707#post700707)

When you see a perversion of the truth, you can either laugh or cry. I do not feel like crying, so that only leaves laughing about it.

I get good laughs out of Creationism too.

wblastyn · #15 9th March 2003, 08:48 AM

It maybe easier for you to find Big Foot and prove he exists then to produce a biologist that can convince me that he knows what he is talking about.

Why are you so arrogant? Just because you can't understand something doesn't mean the person telling you about it does not "know what he is talking about".

lucaspa · #16 9th March 2003, 09:56 AM

Yesterday at 10:28 PM JohnR7 said this in Post #3

Genesis 1:1-2
    In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. [2] And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

According to the gap theory, between verse one and verse two is a gap of any amount of time you want it to be. Before the Gap, the earth could have had any life that you may think that it had.

But where's the "gap" in the text, John?  "And" connects the two rather closely.

But 12,000 years ago, we find it without form and void. The Hebrews words could suggest that it was made desolate & a wasteland. Then God seperated the dry land. This would have been the end of the ice age about that time.

Sorry, John, but deep sea cores and ice cores show that the earth was with form.  Also, you have those cave paintings in France dated to 30,000 years ago showing lots of animals, not to mention the humans.  Not exactly desolate.  Also, if it was all under water -- not yet separated the dry land -- how did the humans paint those pictures?

The Grand Canon easily could have been made in less than 12,000 years.

Sorry, John, the Ohio Valley was there before the glaciers melted.  The runoff deepend the valley a bit but didn't make it.  And Cuyahoga Falls is just south of the farthest advance of the glaciers.  You can see the farthest advance in the hill leading down to the plain around Lake Erie in Cleveland.  Yes, I've been there.  Grew up in Medina and and did a postdoc at Case Western.   Take a trip to the Cleveland Museum of Natural History and it will show it all to you.

Easily as much dirt and rock was moved here, as what was moved in the Grand Canyon when the glaciers melted. In the last 12,000 years.

Except, of course, that the Grand Canyon was far south of the advance of the glaciers and was not formed in the last 12,000 years.

BTW, having those glaciers refutes your "without form" idea.  After all, the glaciers had to sit on land, didn't they?  Also, if God had covered the earth in ice, why isn't that mentioned in Genesis?  For a literal history, it seems to have left out a lot that fallen human imagination is allowed to fill in and be god.

lucaspa · #17 9th March 2003, 10:01 AM

Today at 05:44 AM JohnR7 said this in Post #11

Yep, but first you guys said your going to show me a biologist who knows what they are talking about. It maybe easier for you to find Big Foot and prove he exists then to produce a biologist that can convince me that he knows what he is talking about.

I don't recalll anyone saying they would find you a biologist.  However, you left yourself an escape route.  The last sentence is the key: convince you. All you have to do is say you are not convinced.  So it's not really an honest request, is it? Any biologist who talks to you about evolution won't be able to convince you.

Douglas Futuyma is acknowledged as one of the foremost biologists today.  He has a book Evoutionary Biology that you should read. If you dare, of course.

In the meantime, you will have to "settle" for a biochemist -- me.  Which, of course, is a discipline combining biology and chemistry.

lucaspa · #18 9th March 2003, 10:04 AM

Today at 08:48 AM wblastyn said this in Post #15

Why are you so arrogant? Just because you can't understand something doesn't mean the person telling you about it does not "know what he is talking about".

It's not arrogance. It's fear.  John has made the mistake of tying the existence of God into a denial of evolution.  If anyone convinces him of the reality of evolution, John thinks he must give up God.  It's his mistake, of course. But he is terrified it will come to pass. He would rather cling to his pride that he is right than to accept God's evidence in His Creation.

JohnR7 · #19 9th March 2003, 03:32 PM

Today at 08:48 AM wblastyn said this in Post #15
Why are you so arrogant? 

I am not really, although it could sounds that way. It is hard to take the tone of what is being said here, because there is no speech or voice tones involved, just pixels on a screen.

It is like if you were playing a friendly game of basket ball and you would say things like, you could never make that shot, or your grandmother can play better than that. It is not really intended to be taken as something that is serious.

As a Christian, Ego and Pride is a No No. They are to be eliminated.

JohnR7 · #20 9th March 2003, 03:35 PM

Today at 10:04 AM lucaspa said this in Post #18

It's not arrogance. It's fear.  

No, it's not fear. We do not have fear, because perfect love casts out all fear. We have nothing to be afraid of. We have read the end of the Book, so we know who the winner is. We are more than conquers, we have more than victory, we are more than overcomers in and though the Blood of Jesus.

Nice try though.