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There is one thing that your article does NOT take into account. Jesus in His earthly ministry was speaking TO and ABOUT prophetic events relating to Israel. Jesus had a TWOfold ministry...one having to do with the earth, and one having to do with heaven.

Jesus on earth was speaking with regard to the earthly calling and promises to the NATION Israel.

Jesus AFTER his death, burial and resurrection, spoke THRU Paul with regard to something BRAND NEW...a NEW set of instructions for an entirely NEW audience..the ONE NEW MAN, the church, which is His BODY.

Two programs here....NOT the same...not similar...but totally DIFFERENT !

You fail to understand the nature of the New Man as that second created human being into which each and every person born into the old man [Adam] must be born into anew, by the Spirit of adoption, born anew in Spirit and in body, in His image, to be heirs with Him, in Him of the kingdom of God which is in heaven and is coming to earth.

The Oracles committed to the Jews teach all about being born anew from above into the "Only Begotten" [Living] Son of God, whose name is "Israel". That's why they were called out of the Gentiles, for God to "make Himself a Name" -"in which to dwell", for He will never dwell in Adam again and yet, He made this earth for Adam and Ben Adam to inhabit forever and His plan will be fullfilled in the New Man name, "Israel His glory" and His "Firstborn" [Adam was firstborn, and is dead in spirit].

And Salvation is of the Jews, for to them were the living oracles committed to teach these things.

The first man is named Adam, and each and every person born into Adam are born dead in spirit and will never be able to enter into the kingdom of God that is coming from heaven [where it is being built up, for the coming] to earth.

The Second Man is Israel, only brother to Adam, who is come as the Living Spirit -YHWH of hosts in the second person, in the New Human Being Creation to be the Firstborn of the earth first given to His human brother Adam which He came to ransom and restore and raise the seed of Adam up to the inheritance which is forever lost in the old man, as the old man is cut off without remedy to be a son of God and come before and stand before, the Glory, in His heavenly temple and minister as priests unto Him.

Adam was created "son of God" Luke 3:38.
Adam died in spirit the day he ate the defiling fruit.
We are without our head -he's dead- in Adam.
We lost the rule of the kingdom given to We, the seed of Adam -Psalm 115:16- and have no hope to regain the inheritance in Adam as we are without power to keep ourselves alive or offer a ransom to redeem a brother.

Jesus Christ, the Son of Man/son of God who was "Hid in God" from the beginning is come in the fullness of times to be our Savior, Redeemer, and to brig us back to the Father thrugh His Ransom of us.
We are now accepted in the Beloved Son -Israel- if we believe on His name and put our trust in Him to raise us up as He promised and in His name we will live forever -if we are indeed translated from Adam into Christ by the Spirit of Adoption.

In Adam all die.
In Christ all are made alive -whosoever will.

The Gospel which Paul preached is simply and completely the blood of Jesus upon the cross as a propitition paying the price ...for our sin.

Blood equals forgiveness.

Price paid.

The Gospel isn't anything more nor is it anything less.

Where is it that you feel that Jesus and the 12 on the earthly mission to Israel taught that Jesus Blood was to pay the price of Adam's sin ... and our own ... so that we could as gentiles live for ever in Heaven with God and never go through Judgement?

You know ... chapter and verse please.

Thanks.

Looking forward to it.

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Jesus and Paul

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I got a question. Where are these righteous ones at the End of the Age according to Matt 13:49?

Matthew 13:49 so shall it be in the full end of the Age, the messengers shall be coming out and shall be severing the wicked ones out of the midst of the righteous/just ones,

http://ourworld.cs.com/preteristabcs/id84.htm
THE MEETING IN THE AIR

Given the unique nature of this Pauline doctrine in a letter which is supposed to correct eschatological misconceptions, it must be asked if it is appropriate to assume that Paul is here innovating a completely new teaching. Proper pedagogy elucidates the unclear by the clear, not by the unprecedented. Why would Paul have concocted a “general assumption of all believers,” a doctrine which has no basis in any other Jewish or Christian teaching, in hopes of alleviating misunderstanding among the Thessalonians regarding the fate of their departed?

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Originally Posted by Tychicum

Where is it that you feel that Jesus and the 12 on the earthly mission to Israel taught that Jesus Blood was to pay the price of Adam's sin ... and our own ... so that we could as gentiles live for ever in Heaven with God and never go through Judgement?

I don’t if you’d be able to accept it...the writer of Hebrews tells us the types of the OT pointed to Christ.

Joh 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Joh 1:36 And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!

Now do a search on the "lamb" and it's uses in the OT sacrificial system.

Hope that helps!

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus

I got a question. Where are these righteous ones at the End of the Age according to Matt 13:49?

Chapter 13 is all about parables. I understand v. 49 of this chapter in light of the repetition the words “Again, the kingdom…” thru out this section. It’s my understanding that v. 49 is the expansion of v. 39 which is in direct relation to Rev. 14:15 “And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.” [see also Joel 3:13]




Did you have a chance to check the chart with the Bible?

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The words of Paul WERE the words of Christ. Christ RISEN had something MORE TO SAY to the newly formed church, which is His BODY. HE gave those inspired words to Paul to give to us.

They were NOT the same words as those spoken by Christ on Earth, as by His own admission, the words He spoke while on the earth were addressed TO and ABOUT the Nation Israel ALONE.

The comparison should be between Christs earthly ministry and His ministry to we the Body of Christ thru OUR apostle Paul. Very distinct...very different and to TWO different audiences.

I decided to start a thread on this over here:

http://www.christianforums.com/t3807...om-of-god.html

Why do you think Jesus didn't preach 30 more years to the Jews and all of Israel and do you believe the Kingdom of God is the same as Christ in us? Thoughts?

Luke 17:21 "nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you."

Colossians 1:27 to whom God did will to make known what [is] the riches of the glory of this secret/mystery among the Nations--which is Christ in you, the hope of the glory,

Interesting conversation over here with Jews and Muslims about the LAW and "Pork" if interested:

http://www.christianforums.com/t3764008-the-pig.html

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"Where is it that you feel that Jesus and the 12 on the earthly mission to Israel taught that Jesus Blood was to pay the price of Adam's sin ... and our own ... so that we could as gentiles live for ever in Heaven with God and never go through Judgement?

You know ... chapter and verse please."
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"Bingo." I asked this question to this person over and over again on another thread, i.e.,where in Mt.-John, either "pre-cross", or "post-cross", did the Lord Jesus Christ, or "the twelve", or "the other apostles", ever preach "I/He am/is going to die for your sins...be buried...be raised from the dead..."(1 Cor. 15:1-4), "...for our justification"(emphasis mine-Romans 4:25)

All I received(other than a quote from the book of Enoch) was "The Queen to Alice(in Wonderland)" type of disjointed response, quoting every scripture but those contained within Mt.-John, as it applies to 1 Cor. 15:1-4 specifically:

"The word means what I say it means." -The Queen to Alice

"The 12", "the other apostles", knew nothing about 1 Cor. 15:1-4, it was hid from them, Peter attempted to prevent the Lord Jesus Christ's death, and "the 12", "the other apostles", did not even believe the resurrection even after it ocurred. And I documented this from Mt.-John.

I ask all to review the thread discussing this.

In Christ,
John M. Whalen

'Why do you think Jesus didn't preach 30 more years to the Jews and all of Israel and do you believe the Kingdom of God is the same as Christ in us? Thoughts?

Luke 17:21 "nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you." -LittleLambof Jesus
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(bold is my emphasis)

"And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you." Luke 17:20,21

This great Saviour of ours, the only Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ, doesn't "mince words", does He?

"It's already here, 'folks'-you are looking at Him, and it: The King, and the Kingdom. Any other questions?"

Notice the Lord Jesus Christ was addressing the hostile Pharisees, who hated Him-the "them", the "you.". Perhaps the kingdom referenced here, in context, is that sphere where a king excercises his rule/jurisdiction, and reigns-in his absense, no kingdom-no king, no kingdom.. Perhaps "within you" can be interpreted(as it is in other scriptures) "among you"="in your midst", =the person of the King, the Lord Jesus Christ, since not many would contend that "the kingdom of God" was within the hearts of the Pharisees. The Lord Jesus Christ never, in his earthly ministry to Israel, that I am aware of, referred to the kingdom "entering people." He said people would enter the kingdom.

Thus, the Lord Jesus Christ, the King, answered to the Pharisees, that the kingdom was at that moment, in their midst, for He was the kingdom of God. As a spiritual application, the LORD God had an undisputed kingdom in only the heart, and in only the will of the Lord Jesus Christ, and certainly not in the deceitful, desperately wicked(Jer. 17:9) hearts of the Pharisees, the audience to whom the Lord was addressing his message of rebuke.

In Christ and with Christ,
John