Why is Hovind so successful?

jephthah's daughter · #11 6th March 2003, 09:28 AM

...now where did I put that photo of the "school" he graduated from?

JohnR7 · #12 6th March 2003, 09:28 AM

Today at 08:49 AM blader said this in Post #6

People.

Are.

Really.

Gullible.

You do know that the judgment we use, to judge others, is the judgment we will be judged with?

So, why do you think your so gullible?

jephthah's daughter · #13 6th March 2003, 09:32 AM

Today at 09:28 AM JohnR7 said this in Post #12

You do know that the judgment we use, to judge others, is the judgment we will be judged with?

So, why do you think your so gullible?

That makes no sense.  If you judge Osama Bin Ladin to be a terrorist  does that also make you a terrorist?

JohnR7 · #14 6th March 2003, 09:40 AM

Today at 09:28 AM jephthah's daughter said this in Post #11

...now where did I put that photo of the "school" he graduated from?

His Phd comes from a correspondence school. He says if you have a problem with that, then don't call him Dr. Call him Kent if you want. He graduated from a Baptist University.

JohnR7 · #15 6th March 2003, 09:44 AM

Today at 09:32 AM jephthah's daughter said this in Post #13

That makes no sense.  If you judge Osama Bin Ladin to be a terrorist  does that also make you a terrorist?

I do not think he is a terrorist, I think he is a poster boy.

Titus 1:15
    To the pure all things are pure, but to those who are defiled and unbelieving nothing is pure; but even their mind and conscience are defiled.

 

Pete Harcoff · #16 6th March 2003, 10:05 AM

I think a lot of it has to do with he just tells people what they want to hear. Face it, the kind of people that would attend his seminars aren't interested in science. If they were, they'd hit the local library or take a college course. Rather, they are seeking validation of their belief systems and Hovind gives that to them. Face it, if you feel mainstream science threatens your particular world-view, it's comforting to have someone in your corner giving you hope that mainstream science could be utterly, utterly wrong.

PhantomLlama · #17 6th March 2003, 10:20 AM

My motto is: 'It doesn't matter what you say, someone, somewhere, will believe it'

I could preach that we are all the creation of a magic teapot that orbits Mars, and if I did it for long and hard enough I could probably get my own teapot cult surrounding me.

Hail the Teapot!

I think telling people what they want to hear is probably why he has so much support. Why do so many people have trouble accepting that he is wrong is a question that I find puzzling. Creationism I can understand, because the bible could be interpreted that way, but there is no way you could stretch the bible to use that as a basis of faith in Hovind.

By the way, I judge Gahndi to be a good man, so that makes me a great and good man. I also judge Hitler to be an evil man, so I guess that makes me a man who is both good and evil. Impressive, no? I can be two contradictory things at once.

JohnR7 · #18 6th March 2003, 11:02 AM

Today at 10:05 AM Pete Harcoff said this in Post #16

I think a lot of it has to do with he just tells people what they want to hear. Face it, the kind of people that would attend his seminars aren't interested in science. If they were, they'd hit the local library or take a college course. Rather, they are seeking validation of their belief systems and Hovind gives that to them. Face it, if you feel mainstream science threatens your particular world-view, it's comforting to have someone in your corner giving you hope that mainstream science could be utterly, utterly wrong.

He is not against science. He is against Evolution. He claims to be a doctor of science. Evolution is the evil enemy, not science.

His seminar is on the internet is 8 one hour installments for anyone that wants to take the time to watch and listen to it. Actually I found it to be interesting. He does seem to know his stuff and he present a good arguement for the YEC position.

But eventually it seems like the arguement starts to break down and he then begins to assign everything to the flood. Just like the gap people assign everything they can not explain to the gap. Dr Dino tends to assign everything he can not explain to the flood.

He says it over and over again. So many times that perhaps people begin to believe it, just because he repeats it so much. He says I believe man was created 6000 years ago, then 4300 years ago there was a flood and God started all over again. He repeats that over and over again. They say if you repeat something enough, that people will begin to believe it.

Still, I think the presentation is interesting, even if I tend to be more of a OEC than a  YEC.

JohnR7 · #19 6th March 2003, 11:07 AM

Today at 10:20 AM PhantomLlama said this in Post #17  Why do so many people have trouble accepting that he is wrong

Maybe he is more right than you think. I really do not think he is anymore right or wrong than anyone else.

Jesus was the only perfect man, and so that is why we need to seek to be like Jesus. They say to not copy another man, because you will repeat all his mistakes and add your mistakes to them. So you will be twice the son of hell as they are.

Matthew 23:15
    Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte, and when he is won, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.

 

JohnR7 · #20 6th March 2003, 11:18 AM

Today at 10:20 AM PhantomLlama said this in Post #17 By the way, I judge Gahndi to be a good man, so that makes me a great and good man. I also judge Hitler to be an evil man, so I guess that makes me a man who is both good and evil. Impressive, no? I can be two contradictory things at once.

People can be both, but it makes them double minded and unstable. James talks about how it is like being adrift in the ocean tossed to and fro by the waves.

You have to go all the way with God. You can not serve two masters. If you do not go all the way with God, if your luke warm, he will spit you out. That does not mean you are no longer a christian, it means God will not use you to represent Him.

The first thing we need is discernment. We need to be able to discern what is of God, what is of the spirit of man and what is of the serpent. Discernment is a gift of the Holy Spirit in us.

If we spend a lot of time with God, we will begin to take on the thoughts of God. It is almost as if you have to rewrite the whole dictionary, because the meaning of everything becomes different. As we put on the Mind of Christ and see things from God's perspective. Rather than from man's perspective or the perspective of a fallen man.