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19th September 2006, 12:44 AM
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Reps: 1,526 (power: 10) | | No, it's not OK for women to teach as authority over men in the church. But of course they can teach children and other women. They can also study with people about becoming Christians and they can participate in bible study/discussions as long as a Christian man is the teacher/authority figure. | 
19th September 2006, 03:32 PM
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against teaching other women,
or other children, than their own,
because:
14
... it was not Adam who was DECEIVED, but THE WOMAN being deceived, fell into transgression.
15 But women will be preserved through the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint. | 
19th September 2006, 03:46 PM
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Reps: 11,945 (power: 19) | | Originally Posted by ronmathison I would even caution women
against teaching other women,
or other children, than their own,
because:
14
... it was not Adam who was DECEIVED, but THE WOMAN being deceived, fell into transgression.
15 But women will be preserved through the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint.
wow.
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19th September 2006, 04:00 PM
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Reps: 18,012 (power: 26) | | Originally Posted by ronmathison I would even caution women
against teaching other women,
or other children, than their own,
because:
14
... it was not Adam who was DECEIVED, but THE WOMAN being deceived, fell into transgression.
15 But women will be preserved through the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint.
Yep, Adam sinned with his eyes wide open. Men typically sin and know it while they do it. Women stumble unintentionally more often.
I believe God uses women to lead if men fail to fulfill the role. Deborah comes to mind. She admonished Barak to lead, but he wouldn't. Judges 4
Basically, if women lead, men failed. | 
19th September 2006, 04:03 PM
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God Bless
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19th September 2006, 04:04 PM
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Reps: 18,012 (power: 26) | | Originally Posted by Asinner Women can teach through Purity, Chastity, Humility, Love, Long-suffering . . . Which, IMO, speaks louder than words.
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19th September 2006, 04:12 PM
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WRONG!
I realize that I will be ignored by some of the very people I'm trying to reach here because I'm a woman - but hey, at least I'm not a dishonest woman who would put up a genderless sock-puppet just so someone might pay attention to what I say....... to whoever has ears to hear: For you are ALL SONS of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. (cf Gal.3)
That's right, I am a SON OF GOD in Christ - in whom there is neither male nor female. The daughters of Zelophehad speak what is right; you shall surely give them a possession of inheritance among their father's brothers, and cause the inheritance of their father to pass to them. (Numbers 27:7) Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. This scripture is not speaking of women as opposed to men - I do believe that men and children should also - when learning - learn "in silence and with all submission" - it is speaking about how one should learn -and evidently there was a problem in Timothy's parish with women not following this protocol - women with arrogance problems. We are all - male and female - given great liberty in Christ, but neither men nor women should use their liberty as an occasion to the prideful flesh, but rather by love serve one another (Galatians 5:13). And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.
IN THE ORIGINAL GREEK this verse might well have read "And I do not permit a wife to teach or to have authority over her husband, in order that she might live a quiet, undisturbed, peaceable life." Most women know that the reason a wife can't teach her husband is because he won't listen. And it is a wise wife who knows that it is not a good idea for her husband to not seek advice from others outside the home - this makes the marriage a stagnant pool - nothing flowing in to refresh and invigorate...... For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.
Adam was not deceived - he made the decision to sin in the full light of knowledge that it was sin - just to please his wife. It is a wise wife who knows that her advice to hubby may be self-serving, even if she doesn't realize it, for the heart (of a woman or of a man) is deceptive above all things. Better to seek the counsel of a party without so much of a vested interest..... because the husband, in the interest of pleasing his wife, is liable to do something he knows is wrong, just as Adam did. Nevertheless she will be saved in childbearing if they (the man and the wife?) continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control. The curse for Eve that came as a result of her fall into transgression is pain in childbearing. I believe that this is what this verse is talking about - Jesus came to set us free from the curse of sin, and this verse seems to me to be a promise that women have available to them the promise of pain-free labour. (of course, this promise, like all the promises of God, must be apprehended, and this is a completely separate subject from the one the OP was trying to address, so let's not get too far offtrack - suffice it to say that the "saved in childbearing" clause has nothing to do with whether women may teach or not)
I certainly hope this clears it up for at least SOME people......
many blessings, all around, whether you agree with me or not.......
tal
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19th September 2006, 04:38 PM
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Deborah was a judge.
Phoebe was a Deacon
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, neither male nor female"
"Let no man be contentious, for we have not such laws" (1 Corn. 11:16)
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19th September 2006, 04:39 PM
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Reps: 351 (power: 0) | | In the Book of Acts, chapter 18, Priscilla and Aquila are presented as faithful ministers for Christ. Priscilla's name is mentioned first, likely indicating that she was more "prominent" in ministry than her husband.
LOL.
NO IT DOESN'T!!
LOL.
LOL.
Old Covenant (same place where God used a DONKEY to instruct Balaam. )
LOL
LOL.
NO she WASN'T
LOL. "There is neither Jew nor Greek, neither male nor female"
LOL.
That refers to SALVATION ONLY (or else same-sex marriages would be allright) .
LOL.
Go ahead...
TRY to explain away scripture
(it won't work on ME, however) .
ILLUSTRATION:
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MANY children are Christian....
BUT...
Should we put
6 YEAR OLDS behind pulpits,
to teach the SERMON?
Nope.
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19th September 2006, 04:55 PM
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Reps: 50,034 (power: 0) | | | ron, your sarcasm and blatent anger towards women make me question your motive in starting a thread like this. To bash women? To hurt us? MY opinion is men are so dumb...God had to use a donkey in the OT to talk to a man, knocked a man off his horse in the NT to get his attention. IF Adam had been doing what GOD told him to in the first place..guess what??? WOMAN wouldn't of been decieved. Lets give it a rest about how 'bad' women are ok? Men are no better. I agree with Pauls teachings...but I won't use it to bash someone else, OR MISUSE it to abuse women. |  | | | Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes | Linear Mode | | | |