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13th September 2006, 08:13 PM
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o.k. i am an atheist, but at the same time my cultural background and family, country, customs and moral believes are based on christianity. so you can maybe say i am a christian atheist.
as such i believe it is my responsibility to be educated about my history and background.
i do believe, that i do have extensive knowledge of bible and general christianity, yet with all that there is a major question that nobody so far was able to explain to me so that it makes any sence.
I would like to understand why christians believe that Jesus had to die to save them. I do not feel that anybody should be responsible for primary sin of Adam and Eve but Adam and Eve themselves. Why somebody needed to die for 'us'? |
13th September 2006, 09:44 PM
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Reps: 6,053 (power: 20) | | God is holy and He can have nothing to do with sin as the Bible says, "His eyes are too pure to look upon evil," (Hab. 1:13). This does not mean that God cannot see what someone does that is wrong. It is a way of describing how holy God is. God cannot sin. He is perfect.
Death is a cursed position to be in that was caused by sin. We need to be saved from sin and death. It must be part of a deeper law and knowledge that makes up the very fabric of our existence, as even God did not go against it.
Justice is part of God's makeup as a Holy being, and the whole ball of wax was created by Him and only by His power, with Him knowing all the rules of how to create worlds, universes, dimensions, and life. Justice demanded death for the mistake made by Adam when God provided the contrast to His light in the garden as a choice. In my opinion, love cannot exist without a full choice, so God paid that sacrificial price of love Himself, in the flesh as God manifested in man through Jesus Christ, the Savior and Mediator between God and all of mankind. He showed us what love is by redeeming His creation from sin and death at the cross, providing a way back to the eternal life man originally had as a creature of God, but even better - as Sons of God.
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13th September 2006, 09:48 PM
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Reps: 2,724 (power: 10) | | Originally Posted by kacka  o.k. i am an atheist, but at the same time my cultural background and family, country, customs and moral believes are based on christianity. so you can maybe say i am a christian atheist.
as such i believe it is my responsibility to be educated about my history and background.
i do believe, that i do have extensive knowledge of bible and general christianity, yet with all that there is a major question that nobody so far was able to explain to me so that it makes any sence.
I would like to understand why christians believe that Jesus had to die to save them. I do not feel that anybody should be responsible for primary sin of Adam and Eve but Adam and Eve themselves. Why somebody needed to die for 'us'?
I have a question for you. Why are you on Christian forums?
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Matthew 6:27 Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life.
Matthew 12:25 Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, "Every Kindgom disvided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand. |
13th September 2006, 10:51 PM
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Reps: 294 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by strikerchris0411 I have a question for you. Why are you on Christian forums?
Mathews 7:1-2- Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. |
13th September 2006, 11:04 PM
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Reps: 2,218,311,396,410,815 (power: 2,218,311,396,421) | | Originally Posted by kacka o.k. i am an atheist, but at the same time my cultural background and family, country, customs and moral believes are based on christianity. so you can maybe say i am a christian atheist.
as such i believe it is my responsibility to be educated about my history and background.
i do believe, that i do have extensive knowledge of bible and general christianity, yet with all that there is a major question that nobody so far was able to explain to me so that it makes any sence.
I would like to understand why christians believe that Jesus had to die to save them. I do not feel that anybody should be responsible for primary sin of Adam and Eve but Adam and Eve themselves. Why somebody needed to die for 'us'?
To show us the weight and cost of our sins.
I hope I have provided you an answer, if not, please let me know.
God Bless
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and Heaven's gates swung wide
An Angel with Halo Bright
Ushered me inside
And there to my astonishment
Stood folks I had judged and Labeled
as Quite unfit, of Little Worth, and Spiritually Disabled.
Indigent words rose to my lips
But never were set Free
as every face showed stun surprise
not one expected me.
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13th September 2006, 11:26 PM
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Reps: 329,585 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by kacka o.k. i am an atheist, but at the same time my cultural background and family, country, customs and moral believes are based on christianity. so you can maybe say i am a christian atheist.
as such i believe it is my responsibility to be educated about my history and background.
i do believe, that i do have extensive knowledge of bible and general christianity, yet with all that there is a major question that nobody so far was able to explain to me so that it makes any sence.
I would like to understand why christians believe that Jesus had to die to save them. I do not feel that anybody should be responsible for primary sin of Adam and Eve but Adam and Eve themselves. Why somebody needed to die for 'us'?
If you really want to know the answer to this, the best thing you can do is to take a few minutes, grab a Bible, and read Romans 5-7.
It explains it in much more detail than I can here. |
13th September 2006, 11:42 PM
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Reps: 58,356,468,745,087,192 (power: 58,356,468,745,096) | | | God is infinite, and He is infinitely good. He is infinitely merciful (He forgives us) but He is also infinitely just. When we sin (what we do is not good) we separate ourselves from Him (being infinitely good). God is just, so the sin must be punished, but god is merciful, so He sent His Son to bear the sin, He doesn't punish us.
Does this answer it logically? |
14th September 2006, 05:09 AM
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Reps: 481,213,167,237,329,856 (power: 481,213,167,237,361) | | Originally Posted by kacka o.k. i am an atheist, but at the same time my cultural background and family, country, customs and moral believes are based on christianity. so you can maybe say i am a christian atheist.
as such i believe it is my responsibility to be educated about my history and background.
i do believe, that i do have extensive knowledge of bible and general christianity, yet with all that there is a major question that nobody so far was able to explain to me so that it makes any sence.
I would like to understand why christians believe that Jesus had to die to save them. I do not feel that anybody should be responsible for primary sin of Adam and Eve but Adam and Eve themselves. Why somebody needed to die for 'us'?
Self-sacrifice is the only way that what is wrong in the world can be put right. Even God can't do it by force.
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love is stronger than hate,
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14th September 2006, 06:55 AM
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This is from Romans 3, New American Standard, emphasis is mine:
21But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;
23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
24being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;
25whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed;
26for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
27Where then is boasting? It is excluded By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith.
28For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.
29Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also,
30since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one.
31Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law.
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14th September 2006, 07:21 AM
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I was going to say and guess i'm still going to say it lol... that He died for our sins, because that's just the cool kinda God I serve. I don't ask questions, I just believe, because if I believe and he's not real then I don't really loose, but if he isn't and I don't believe then I'm in hell.
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