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7th October 2006, 02:59 PM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | | I lost a loved one not too long ago that was murdered. I have been able to forgive the man for it because of the fact that he had his own problems and I couldn't say that it was so much his fault. He wasn't getting help he needed to deal with what was going on his life. It is very sad that sometimes people with major problems go neglected by those who are supposed to be taking care of them. The stuff this man was dealing with could have gone as far back as childhood. I felt sorry for him to be honest with you. I felt sorry for all involved that they didn't have Christ in their lives and that it resulted in their deaths. Our world is one messed up place. I feel there is only one solution to it. But, the Lord isn't ready yet I guess. *Gentle Smile*
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7th October 2006, 03:06 PM
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Reps: 16,639,433,360 (power: 16,639,443) | | Originally Posted by LunaticRed I wouldn't know why not. They're human just like the rest of us. 
because they live in accordance with G_d's Word, don't just talk about it. they live His Life, having given up their own(rights and ambitions and greed and selfishness) they died to self when their lives were born again - their lives are immersed in His, not superficially but in truth, and all in line with His Written Word they trust Him and do as He says, not what society or the flesh says. | 
7th October 2006, 03:21 PM
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Reps: 16,995 (power: 45) | | Originally Posted by LunaticRed I lost a loved one not too long ago that was murdered. I have been able to forgive the man for it because of the fact that he had his own problems and I couldn't say that it was so much his fault. He wasn't getting help he needed to deal with what was going on his life. It is very sad that sometimes people with major problems go neglected by those who are supposed to be taking care of them. The stuff this man was dealing with could have gone as far back as childhood. I felt sorry for him to be honest with you. I felt sorry for all involved that they didn't have Christ in their lives and that it resulted in their deaths. Our world is one messed up place. I feel there is only one solution to it. But, the Lord isn't ready yet I guess. *Gentle Smile*
I read recently that as much as 90% of people with major mental illnesses are undiagnosed and/or untreated.
That's a lot of people. Although I agree that the ultimate fix for the problem is the Lord's return, He has certainly left us here in the meantime to care for those who are sick. So many Christians I know think that mental illness is a character weakness that should be cured by walking down and aisle and kneeling at an altar.
The first step to us doing what we should for people with mental illness is to educate ourselves and stop giving up on them if they don't get fixed by the first treatment they try.
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7th October 2006, 03:24 PM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by WalkInHisFootsteps I read recently that as much as 90% of people with major mental illnesses are undiagnosed and/or untreated.
That's a lot of people. Although I agree that the ultimate fix for the problem is the Lord's return, He has certainly left us here in the meantime to care for those who are sick. So many Christians I know think that mental illness is a character weakness that should be cured by walking down and aisle and kneeling at an altar.
The first step to us doing what we should for people with mental illness is to educate ourselves and stop giving up on them if they don't get fixed by the first treatment they try.
Many of today's doctors are in it for the money, though. They're not so much concerned about the patients well being.
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7th October 2006, 03:26 PM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by yeshuaslavejeff because they live in accordance with G_d's Word, don't just talk about it. they live His Life, having given up their own(rights and ambitions and greed and selfishness) they died to self when their lives were born again - their lives are immersed in His, not superficially but in truth, and all in line with His Written Word they trust Him and do as He says, not what society or the flesh says.
That's all well and good but, sin can affect anyone. Anyone. We see proof of that all the time on tv and in other sources of media. Amish are people just like anyone else. If sin can affect christians, pastors, priests, why would it not be able to touch an Amish person? I just don't agree with that. No offense intended.
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7th October 2006, 03:29 PM
| | It means 'yellow dog'

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Reps: 16,995 (power: 45) | | Originally Posted by LunaticRed That's all well and good but, sin can affect anyone. Anyone. We see proof of that all the time on tv and in other sources of media. Amish are people just like anyone else. If sin can affect christians, pastors, priests, why would it not be able to touch an Amish person? I just don't agree with that. No offense intended. 
No one is saying they don't sin. We are just saying that as a people, they are quick to forgive as they know they have been forgiven. It's part of their culture.
Do you live near any Amish communities?
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7th October 2006, 03:38 PM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by WalkInHisFootsteps No one is saying they don't sin. We are just saying that as a people, they are quick to forgive as they know they have been forgiven. It's part of their culture.
Do you live near any Amish communities?
Alright. I understand now. Sorry. There is one. I come in contact with some of the folks occasionally. They are very pleasant and kind. They are unlike any others I come in contact with. I am around Holdeman's more. They aren't the same.
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7th October 2006, 03:42 PM
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Reps: 16,995 (power: 45) | | Originally Posted by LunaticRed Alright. I understand now. Sorry. There is one. I come in contact with some of the folks occasionally. They are very pleasant and kind. They are unlike any others I come in contact with. I am around Holdeman's more. They aren't the same. 
The Amish aren't always pleasant and kind, believe me.
They aren't necessarily nicer or more moral than other people, but they do have a culture of peace and forgiveness.
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7th October 2006, 03:44 PM
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Reps: 1,779 (power: 9) | | Originally Posted by LunaticRed Alright. I understand now. Sorry. There is one. I come in contact with some of the folks occasionally. They are very pleasant and kind. They are unlike any others I come in contact with. I am around Holdeman's more. They aren't the same. 
You are right LR. The wildest teenage parties are thrown by Amish kids having their rumspringer (sp?). I know they haven't joined church yet but they have been taught better than that. We all have a sinful nature.
Plus a few years back a bunch of Amish kids landed in jail for drug dealing.
Sorry, Red, I've stuck the wrong quote in. I meant the earlier one. My computer skills drive me crazy!
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7th October 2006, 03:45 PM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | | Ok now you've totally confused me. If they're not always nice then how can they be more moral and peaceful?
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