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Old 26th February 2003, 05:55 PM
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Of course the entire old earth mainstream geology theory and evolution could be falsified by finding mixed up and out of place index fossils as evidence of global flooding.

Or for that matter, finding a rabbit fossil or buffalo fossil along with the dinosaurs (or finding a fish bone fossil in the bottom layers of the Grand Canyon )
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Originally Posted by Micaiah
Okay, lets consider the Green River valves.(sic) You assert that these are the result of uniform geological processes over about 20 million years in some places.
1. I would like some further explanation in layman / semitechnical language on your theory and the evidence you claim supports the theory.
OK. I'll try to dumb it down, just for you.

- Provide a detailed explanation of how these varves are formed. Describe the type of material in question.
- How many laminae were formed in one year? How many are formed in one year in contemporary times?
- How thick were the laminae? 2. Provide your sources of information to support your suggestion. Who are the geologists that promote your claim?
" Studies of the
lithology of the Green River formation have shown that pairs of alternating light and dark bands (varves) within the rocks represent annual deposition. The light bands are composed chiefly of carbonates believed to have been the result of summer deposition, and the dark bands composed predominately of organic
matter thought to have settled out during winter seasons. One varve may have a thickness of only a few millimeters. "~Bruce R. Erickson,
"Fossil Bird Tracks from
Utah," Museum Observer, 5:7 unnumbered pages (1967), in William
A. S. Sarjeant Terretrial Trace Fossils, (Stroudsburg: Hutchinson
Ross Publishing Co., 1983), p. 146.

As quoted at his site: http://www.asa3.org/archive/asa/199801/0011.html 06/24/03

- Provide a detailed description of the varves in question.
All 20 million?

Are they completely uniform throughout the depth of layers, and throughout the entire Green River area.
No. Is there any reason why they should be? A geologist would probably predict that they would be thicker towards the center and thinner toward the edges of the deltas.

- How do you know for sure that the rate of laminae formation was constant over the 20 million years?
Well, they do correspond quite well with varves still being deposited today, even to recording weather changes like El Nino, and sunspot cycles. Also, the summer laminae contain pollen from plants that spread pollen in the summer.

- Does the fossil evidence support your assertion?
Yes.

3. What are the implications of demonstrating that these layers could have been formed within the timeframe of Scripture.
I think first you should provide a hypothesis explaining how you think they were formed. Then you provide the implications of your scriptural model.

Hint: 20,000,000 varves divided by 40 days gives 500,000 varves per day. That's more than 20,000 varves per hour, or more than 340 per minute, or 5 varves per second. Remember these are really fine-grained sediments of the sort that take weeks or months to settle in still water. And you might want to explain how birds made nests, and birds and insects made tracks while 5 layers per second were being deposited.

Please don't try to change the subject. You would have been able to discover the answers to all your questions in a fifteen minute web search. I can only assume that you were too lazy to perform even such a minimal task. I suspect you'll cut and run.
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