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17th February 2003, 01:08 PM
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Where did the space for the universe come from?
Where did matter come from?
Where did the laws of the universe come from (gravity, inertia, etc.)?
How did matter get so perfectly organized?
Where did the energy come from to do all the organizing?
When, where, why, and how did life come from dead matter?
When, where, why, and how did life learn to reproduce itself?
With what did the first cell capable of sexual reproduction reproduce?
Why would any plant or animal want to reproduce more of its kindsince this would only make more mouths to feed and decrease the chances of survival? (Does the individual have a drive to survive, or the species? How do you explain this?)
How can mutations (recombining of the genetic code) create any new, improved varieties? (Recombining English letters will never produce Chinese books.) |
17th February 2003, 01:26 PM
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Reps: 833 (power: 0) | | | It doesnīt matter, where the mass came from in the first place. THe Big Bang theory never states to know, where teh mass came from. It assumes itīs already there and goes from that on.
Space and time are in the same dimension.
Space was already there. Space in itself is the ultimate nothing. Wether or not mass hangs around in space doesnīt matter. Space will be there.
The theories (not laws) came from the expanding mass. All forces can be compressed into one, if one is close (time) at big bang.
The energy for organizing came basically from the energy, that was set free with the big bang. At the beginning there was jsut a "soup" of particles. The particles were not bound to each other (soem sort of superheated plasma). With the epxnasion, things cooled down and the particles arranged themselves in the simplest forms (Hint, Hydrogen). With mass anomalies (Not everything went into different directions) soem masses stayed together. The forming of Elements via simple fusion goes till iron.
For the Theory of evolution itīs not interesting, where the first celsl came from. It assumes, that there were cells and goes from there further.
Since we already have functioning cells, Evolution doesnīt care how the celsl learned to reproduce. And cells donīt reproduce sexually, only cell clusters...
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17th February 2003, 02:07 PM
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Here is a little clue.
If the answer to all of those questions given to you is simply "Because God made it that way", then it is not science.
Two hundred years ago, a similar list of questions might have been:
What causes earthquakes?
What causes disease?
What causes lightning?
Science refused to simply be satisfied with a God of the Gaps answer and pursued it further to explain the phenomena. This is what science does.
Science doesn't say that God didn't do it, it mearly looks at how to explain the phenomena and understand it in as much detail as possible based on experimentation, observation, repeatability of the experimentation and observatin, the forming of a theory through peer review, and the integration of new hypothesis into existing, established theories.
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17th February 2003, 02:46 PM
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Science doesn't say that God didn't do it, it mearly looks at how to explain the phenomena and understand it in as much detail as possible based on experimentation, observation, repeatability of the experimentation and observatin, the forming of a theory through peer review, and the integration of new hypothesis into existing, established theories.
Creationists do not have a problem with science. They have a problem with evolutionary theory, which they do NOT consider to be good science. |
17th February 2003, 02:52 PM
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Today at 11:08 AM JohnR7 said this in Post #1 (http://www.christianforums.com/showt...557#post658557)
Why would any plant or animal want to reproduce more of its kindsince this would only make more mouths to feed and decrease the chances of survival? (Does the individual have a drive to survive, or the species? How do you explain this?)
Thus "selfish genes". From a biological standpoint, a cat is just a way for cat genes to make more cat genes.
How can mutations (recombining of the genetic code) create any new, improved varieties? (Recombining English letters will never produce Chinese books.)
So? No one has yet found any life forms that don't use the same letters we do. Every life form out there, so far, seems to be using the same fairly restricted set of letters.
This is like asking "how can the same keywords and punctuation used to write a web browser be recombined to write a video game". Genetic code is very low level.
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17th February 2003, 04:54 PM
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Where did matter come from?
Where did the laws of the universe come from (gravity, inertia, etc.)?
How did matter get so perfectly organized?
Where did the energy come from to do all the organizing?
Most of these questions the answers are unknown, other may never be known, I dont see how Any of this has to do with evolution. When, where, why, and how did life come from dead matter?
Im not educated much about this, so if you were actually asking the question to get information, I would suggest looking up the theories about it which, by the way, areseperate from evolution. How can mutations (recombining of the genetic code) create any new, improved varieties? (Recombining English letters will never produce Chinese books.)
This is the best question as it actually works on the side of evolution. Sure english letters will never produce chinese books, but then again, show me an animals that is completly different in everyway than the ones we have on the planet  Like a silicon based life form.
All animals are made using one language, they are made using english. Ever heard of anagrams? This is where, words are rearanged to make different words
and example: "The eyes" can be rearanged to make "They see"
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Why would it have to come from anywhere? How did matter get so perfectly organized?
It isn't. Where did the energy come from to do all the organizing?
It doesn't neccesarily take energy to organise a system. |
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Depending on which creationists you talk to, they can also have problems with geology, physics, chemistry, you name it.
The ONLY reason creationists fight the theory of evolution, and other sciences, is because it contradicts a certain religious world-view that they have subscribed to. It has nothing to do with ToE being "bad science" or whatever you want to claim. It's religious bias, plain and simple.
And, if you want to contend this, find me a single non-religious organization that fights evolution as hard as some of those creationist organizations (AIG, ICR, etc). |
17th February 2003, 07:02 PM
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Today at 12:08 PM JohnR7 said this in Post #1 (http://www.christianforums.com/showt...557#post658557)
Where did the space for the universe come from?
Where did matter come from?
Where did the laws of the universe come from (gravity, inertia, etc.)?
How did matter get so perfectly organized?
Where did the energy come from to do all the organizing?
When, where, why, and how did life come from dead matter?
When, where, why, and how did life learn to reproduce itself?
With what did the first cell capable of sexual reproduction reproduce?
Why would any plant or animal want to reproduce more of its kindsince this would only make more mouths to feed and decrease the chances of survival? (Does the individual have a drive to survive, or the species? How do you explain this?)
How can mutations (recombining of the genetic code) create any new, improved varieties? (Recombining English letters will never produce Chinese books.)
Most of the answers to those question are "We or I don't know". But the sad thing is creationists believe that sense we don't know that it means that there has to be a god.
And that logic is very wrong I don't know if you see it but it is. The genetic code and English letters are so different that analogy doesn't make a lot of sense.
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17th February 2003, 07:29 PM
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Lacmeh is the clear winner on this one. I give you an A+
Are you ready for some more?
There are many thousands of examples of symbiosis that defy an evolutionary explanation. Why must we teach students that evolution is the only explanation for these relationships?
How would evolution explain mimicry? Did the plants and animals develop mimicry by chance, by their intelligent choice, or by design?
When, where, why, and how did man evolve feelings? Love, mercy, guilt, etc. would never evolve in the theory of evolution.
*How did photosynthesis evolve?
*How did thought evolve?
*How did flowering plants evolve, and from what?
*What kind of evolutionist are you? Why are you not one of the other eight or ten kinds?
What would you have said fifty years ago if I told you I had a living coelacanth in my aquarium?
*Is there one clear prediction of macroevolution that has proved true?
*What is so scientific about the idea of hydrogen becoming human?
*Do you honestly believe that everything came from nothing?  | | |
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