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What holds the Atom together?

We know that an atom is composed of protons and electrons. If the protons are positive and the electrons are negative, then what keeps the electrons from crashing into the positively charged nucleus. If the nucleus is completely made of positive material, what holds it together? Wouldn't it fly apart because of the like charges. We know that gluons don't because they have never been observed or measured. How would they hold the atoms together anyway, no force is really strong enough to keep electrons away from the nucleus or to keep the nucleus together. That is, except the power of god.

Check out this verse...Colossians 1:17

also John 1:3
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Somebody's been reading Chick Tracts again...

1) Electrons aren't pulled into the nucleus... hmmm... well, classical mechanics would have them in circular motion around the nucleus in the same manner that that Moon orbits the Earth.

2) The nucleus is held together by the strong nuclear force, which is about 100 times stronger than the elecromagnetic repulsion of the protons, theoretical exchange particle being the gluon.

Somehow I don't think that God is going to create a universe so flawed that it needs His constant, omnipresent intervention to avoid completely dissolving.
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Well instead of making an assumption, I took a quick walk on the web, and I found this:

What holds an atom together:
http://www.svsu.edu/~slaven/atom/atom2.html
and its root page: http://www.svsu.edu/~slaven/atom/

It linked to this:
http://www.svsu.edu/~slaven/micro/index.html

I also found this:
http://www.sciam.com/askexpert_quest...A9809EC588EF21
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Somebody's been reading Jack Chick's "Big Daddy" tract and repeated it verbatim.

Chick: Bad artwork, Bad theology, worse science.

C'mon taco, try an original thought.
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Seems like a pretty good arguement to me. Like I said, gluons have never been observed, measured, or proven to exist. They were made up by Athiests to try to explain the phenomina of why the nuclei stay together. Gluons do not exist.

Tenek, you need to have paid more attention in Chemistry. A man named Rutherford thought the same as you do. But another man named Neils Bohr proved Rutherford wrong because of the orbitals and the behavior of electrons in their energy levels. Electrons do not follow a single path around the atom. They actually jump randomly around the atom, trying in vain to fill the positively charged atmosphere around the nucleus.

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Seems like a pretty good arguement to me. Like I said, gluons have never been observed, measured, or proven to exist. They were made up by Athiests to try to explain the phenomina of why the nuclei stay together. Gluons do not exist.

Tenek, you need to have paid more attention in Chemistry. A man named Rutherford thought the same as you do. But another man named Neils Bohr proved Rutherford wrong because of the orbitals and the behavior of electrons in their energy levels. Electrons do not follow a single path around the atom. They actually jump randomly around the atom, trying in vain to fill the positively charged atmosphere around the nucleus.

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Gluons have never been proven to exist.

Electrons have never been proven to exist.

Neither have leopards.

 

As to Bohr, you are correct. Quantum mechanics explains why the atom does not collapse. No need for God to hold on to anything.
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And why, may I ask, do you think the atom does not collapse or the nucleus doesn't fly apart
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Gluons have never been proven to exist.

Electrons have never been proven to exist.

Neither have leopards.
Ergo, leopards hold the nuclei of atoms together.
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And why, may I ask, do you think the atom does not collapse or the nucleus doesn't fly apart
I believe that to be the case because atoms appear to exist, and hold their form. I do not currently have a very good understanding of nuclear forces, and hope never to need one.
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