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Old 17th February 2002, 09:09 PM
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Sad Jews going to heaven?

After all they are God's chosen people right?
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According to revelation, there will be 144,000 Jews in heaven.
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>>After all they are God's chosen people right?

By birth the only thing they were chosen to do was to safe guard the scriptures and even this was taken away from them.

Romans 3:1-2 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? [2] Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

You can say they had first hand information, because in their hands were the scriptures or the oracles of God. Still, they had to observe and do what the scriptures told them to do. They had to live by faith. If they were not faithful to perform them, they perished just like everyone else. It is Faith that makes us a child of Abraham, not birth. "Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham." Galatians 3:7

Still, one third of Isreal will be saved though fire.

Zech. 13:9
And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.
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There were 12 tribes in Israel until Jacob adopted his 2 grandsons as well ,making 14 tribes [Joseph continued as a separate small tribe through his later offspring]
The Jews are only the tribe of Judah with half the tribe of Levi and smatterings of a few other tribes, the main part of Israel is not the house of Judah, but the house of Israel who were scattered among all nations and unlike Judah lost their identities in the world mostly...thus who can tell who is or is not Israel apart from the jews, there is a vast hidden nation of people descended from Israel out in the world!
The only tribes not chosen as the elect are Ephraim and Dan, but the twelve chosen are certainly mostly NOT Jews! [but some definitely are Jews]...then there is a vast uncountable multitude from all nations grafted in as well...read the end of this scripture! :-

Rev 7:5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.
Rev 7:6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.
Rev 7:7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.
Rev 7:8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.
Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Rev 7:10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
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Originally posted by solo66 man
According to revelation, there will be 144,000 Jews in heaven.
I´m sorry, but I think you have to read it well: the 144.00 Jews are of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
So, the 6.000.000 Jews who killed by hitler are not saved?

I suggest to read the OT better The Bible is more than only the Revelation of Yeshua to John
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Re: Jews going to heaven?

Originally posted by Crazy4Christ
After all they are God's chosen people right?
Ofcourse they go to heaven. All Jews ans Israëli´s (Rom.11:25-26 after Zach.12:10) will accept Yeshua (Jesus)!
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Jesus was talking to a Jew:
John 3:18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John the Baptist was talking to Jews:
Luke 3:7 Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
9 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Apostle John writing:
1 John 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
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Hi 2002 Christian,

I do not understand what you meant by giving these verses. I know them. I won´t ignore it. But do not ignore the promise of G´d that every Jew and every Israëli will accept Yeshua as their Messiah! I already gave the chapters and verses.
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I have a different take on this....

I understand that Yeshua will return when the Jewish leaders realise that they have rejected the Messiah, repent of there sin, and call for Him to return. At the time Yeshua returns all Israel will be saved i.e. all the Jews at that time - not Jews that are living now.

The reason why there is so much anti-semitism in the world and the main reason for the Holocaust is that the enemy knows this. His strategy is simple - destroy all the Jews, then there will be no Jew to repent and call for Yeshua to return, Yeshua will not be able to return and He will have won (at least that's what he thinks, but God has promised to protect the remnant of Jews).

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Originally posted by Noa
But do not ignore the promise of G´d that every Jew and every Israëli will accept Yeshua as their Messiah!
You are imposing an interpretation of Paul's meaning over the plain teaching of Jesus: "...condemned already."
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