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Matthew 5:22 What does the Word Raca Mean?

Matthew 5:22, what does the word "Raca" mean?

Also is it a Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic word?

I have tried searching the internet, but wasn't sure as there were some conflictions on the websites.

Here's the scripture the word "Raca" appears in.

Also why is one in danger to the council if they say "Raca"? But the one who says their brother is a fool is in danger of hell fire?

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17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven. 21 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’ shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire. 23 Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. 25 Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are on the way with him, lest your adversary deliver you to the judge, the judge hand you over to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. 26 Assuredly, I say to you, you will by no means get out of there till you have paid the last penny.
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www.blueletterbible.org says it means an empty-headed senseless man and was a term of reproach among the Jews.
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Originally Posted by Beasley
www.blueletterbible.org says it means an empty-headed senseless man and was a term of reproach among the Jews.
Oh thank you. I read it might mean "idiot" but I was exactly sure. This definition makes more sense.


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Another interesting point...

According to my footnotes, Matt 5:22 has read in other manuscripts ..."anyone who is angry with his brother 'without cause' will be subject to judgment.

That makes more sense than just angry with his brother. I wonder why they changed that?

Edit in: I see the above scripture does say angry at his brother 'without cause'. However, I bought this edition of the NIV (so I could have a second one) and I knew there were words missing! My new NIV just says anyone who is angry with their brother period. The other night my fiancee and I were reading out of my old NIV and I was reading aloud from the my new NIV and my fiancee said there "are words missing". He said he was trying to follow along with my new NIV when I was reading it aloud but it was difficult. This new NIV has misprintings and I think I want my money back! But how can I go about getting my money back? Anyhow, it's not a good version of the NIV. I got it at Walmart and it was printed in South Africa. I am upset now that my new NIV has words left out. That stinks and I wonder if I should make a stink with Walmart to get my money back?

urgh!!!!!!!!!!! I knew something was up. This confirms it. My new NIV printed from So. Africa has words left out.

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An ancient term for an airhead.
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Originally Posted by fuzzyh
An ancient term for an airhead.
I was thinking the same thing! Except in California we say "bubble head", but mostly as joking around, except when one really is!

Let me tell you about this bubble head I know... no, just kidding!

Now about my Bible with words left out. S'up with that and Walmart?

Walmart has cool stuff at great prices, but I'd have to say 'not' their Bibles.




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Another Question about Raca?

Sorry to get off topic about my bogus NIV.

Back to the word "Raca".

Okay, if they know it means airhead or an empty-headed senseless man why don't they translate that into the Bible?

I wonder what the difference is between an empty-headed senseless man and a fool?

They sound somewhat similar.

Any advice?
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Here's some definitions of fool.

What do some of you think the most likely definition of "fool" is?

http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_/fool.html
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I don't recommend buying Bibles from Wal-Mart. I normally recommed Christian book stores. You have way more choices.

Why didn't they translate that word. Mainly because it's not Greek and followed in the tradition of the KJV. The New Testament was written in Greek. However that word is Aramaic. Most NIVs put that word as a footnote. As a whole, the NIV doesn't translate those Aramaic words. Abba is another aramaic word for father that Jesus uses. You can find that word in your NIV. Personally, I rather like the way the NIV translates it compared to some others. NASB says "You good-for-nothing". KJV uses Raca, while the ESV describes it as an insult.

Raca based upon the text, seems to be a lot more severe than our term Airhead or Bubble head. (Boy, if Bubble head is the new Airhead, I'm starting to think I'm getting old.)
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I usually use (thanks to someone recently introducing me to it ) the NKJV, but it's "Raca" in this version, too.


Matthew 5:22
22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’ shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire.
Footnotes:
  1. Matthew 5:22 NU-Text omits without a cause

I need to get a concordance. I left the footnote because it might explain a bit about the "without a cause", but it's one of those things that can be hard to extrapolate from the verse itself, in translation.

I don't think Jesus meant it in such a way to imply difference between the two, but it's hard to tell.
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