Creationists VS Creationist

dawiyd · #1 27th July 2006, 04:59 PM

Creationists VS Creationist

This post isn't going to be me sourcing evidence out to refute YEC, but other from other creationists posting "evidence" which they were using to dispute Evolution.

First of all AV1611VET claims the Earth is 6000 years old.
here: http://www.christianforums.com/showp...&postcount=310

I'll tell you --- this constantly repeating myself about how old I think this Earth is is what is getting old. I must have said it over 75 times by now, and I'm not exaggerating. Once again:
• Geological Age = n-millions?Existential Age = 6000 years

While JohnR7 post evidence that the Earth is ATLEAST 20,000 years old.

here: http://www.christianforums.com/showp...15&postcount=4

Who is right, considering they both have G-d on the home team?

I'll post more when I come across then.

JohnR7 · #2 27th July 2006, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by dawiyd

Creationists VS Creationist

First of all AV1611VET claims the Earth is 6000 years old.here: http://www.christianforums.com/showp...&postcount=310
While JohnR7 post evidence that the Earth is ATLEAST 20,000 years old.here: http://www.christianforums.com/showp...15&postcount=4

There is no conflict here, your talking about two different thing. We both believe that Adam and Eve were placed by God in the Garden of Eden 6,000 years ago. The difference is that GAP's believe that there were people here before Adam and Eve. There was something very special about Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, but that does not mean that there were not humanoids here before them.

We believe that Cain had to have married someone. He went to the land of Nod and found a wife there from the people who were living in that land at the time. HIs decendants lived about 8 generations and they you do not ever hear from them again.

Skaloop · #3 27th July 2006, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by JohnR7

There is no conflict here, your talking about two different thing. We both believe that Adam and Eve were placed by God in the Garden of Eden 6,000 years ago. The difference is that GAP's believe that there were people here before Adam and Eve. There was something very special about Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, but that does not mean that there were not humanoids here before them.

But the OP is not talking about the Garden of Eden, it is talking about the creation of the Earth, and in that they do contradict.

AV said the Earth (the entire planet) was created 6000 years ago.

You said that Adam and Eve were created 6000 years ago, but that the Earth (and even human life) existed prior to that.

Those two statements contradict.

Tomk80 · #4 27th July 2006, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by JohnR7

There is no conflict here, your talking about two different thing. We both believe that Adam and Eve were placed by God in the Garden of Eden 6,000 years ago. The difference is that GAP's believe that there were people here before Adam and Eve. There was something very special about Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, but that does not mean that there were not humanoids here before them.

We believe that Cain had to have married someone. He went to the land of Nod and found a wife there from the people who were living in that land at the time. HIs decendants lived about 8 generations and they you do not ever hear from them again.

Do you read your own posts? There is a conflict, as AV believes something other than you do and you both claim the bible as support. How is that not a conflict of opinions?

Pete Harcoff · #5 27th July 2006, 06:03 PM

And the best part is that they are both wrong.

JohnR7 · #6 27th July 2006, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by Skaloop

But the OP is not talking about the Garden of Eden, it is talking about the creation of the Earth, and in that they do contradict.

The Bible does not contradict the Bible. The problem is our understanding of the Bible. Which is understandable, sense it is a 3500 year old document. TE, YEC, OEC & GAP tend to have a different interpretation of the Bible. Or at least Genesis ch 1 & 2 in the Bible.

This has been a question if you teach creationism in the schools, whos version do you teach. ID & IC seem to think that their version of creationism is more scientific. But science does not seem to agree with them. TE tends to reject ID because ID tends to be anti evolution.

It is no wonder people get confused, you just do not know the players without a program. New people come along all the time wanting to know what all of those letters stand for.

JohnR7 · #7 27th July 2006, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by Pete Harcoff

And the best part is that they are both wrong.

By all means, show me your evidence that GAP is wrong. Show me your evidence that there was no Garden in Eden and that there was not a man and a women in the Garden by the name of Adam and Eve. While your at it can you tell me why snakes do not have legs, because it talks about that in there also.

Pete Harcoff · #8 27th July 2006, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by JohnR7

By all means, show me your evidence that GAP is wrong. Show me your evidence that there was no Garden in Eden and that there was not a man and a women in the Garden by the name of Adam and Eve. While your at it can you tell me why snakes do not have legs, because it talks about that in there also.

See, you have it backwards. If you make a positive claim for it, you must substantiate it. I know you've made claims that there was some sort of re-creation event 6000 years ago, but you have to provide evidence for it. I have yet to see any evidence that your so-called "gap" theory is a correct view of origins.

JohnR7 · #9 27th July 2006, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by Pete Harcoff

See, you have it backwards. If you make a positive claim for it, you must substantiate

There is substantial DNA evidence. Also we have evidence from the study of language. Science tells us that the Hebews had a common ancestor that lived when the Bible says that Eve lived in the part of the world that the Bible says Eve lived in.

There are 18 different scientific Eve's. But this Eve, the one they call J. Has a lot in common with the Eve from the Bible. Of course it does not do much to establish the traditional understanding of the Bible. But this is an example of where science has shown the Bible to be true. A lot if not most of the traditional Christians accept evolution anyways, so what difference does it make? Even Dr Dino accepts some things from evolutionary theory. So even Dr Dino could be considered a partial TE. In fact the YEC need TE to get their beliefs to work a lot more then GAPs need it.

In the article in the November 2001 issue of The American Journal of Human Genetics, Ariella Oppenheim of the Hebrew University of Israel wrote that this new study revealed that Jews have a closer genetic relationship to populations in the northern Mediterranean (Kurds, Anatolian Turks, and Armenians) than to populations in the southern Mediterranean (Arabs and Bedouins).

There is soon going to be more evidence than every because they are doing one of the biggest DNA studes based on the what the preliminary data has shown. So soon they will have all of the Hebrew geneology maped out, from Eve to modern day Hebrews.

Dale · #10 27th July 2006, 11:18 PM

JohnR7:
"Show me your evidence that there was no Garden in Eden and that there was not a man and a women in the Garden by the name of Adam and Eve."

Very well. Genesis says that God put an angel, a Cherubim, with a flaming sword at the gate of Eden to prevent Adam, Eve and their descendants from returning. The Bible says nothing about God removing the Garden of Eden from the surface of the Earth. So where is it?