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And if there was variation in the four main forces everything would fall to pieces.I think I am getting a little cynical
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Originally posted by Micaiah I appreciate the humour in the glasses example, but I suspect it misses the point. What if ice was heavier than water. Ponds and lakes would freeze from the bottom up. That would have a big detrimental impact on fish etc in the water. Their source of food would often be frozen, and there would be the possibility of death due to a pond freezing up completely from bottom up. Water creatures can escape to safer waters more easily if it freezes from top to bottom.
As I recall, the 'bent' shape of the water molecule is responsible for water becoming lighter as it freezes. Christians see the hand of the Creator in forming the molecule with these properties.
It isn't just humor, it's an analogy. The point was that life formed after water was present meaning that the lifeforms that evolved on this planet did so in harmony with the inherent properties of water. If the properties of water were different, then life would have evolved differently.
This again demonstrates the filters through which the Christian and evolutionist view the world.
Have you ever considered the type of sea creature you could end up with that would be able to survive this shift in the properties of water ie ice heavier than water.
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This again demonstrates the filters through which the Christian and evolutionist view the world.
LOL there it is again. Someone else is putting evolution as equaling atheism. LOL there are lots of Christians that accept evolution..
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Have you ever read the Creation account in Genesis. As far as accounts of origins go, I'd suggest it is one of the most compact and understandable. Read it and decide for yourself if the two are in anyway compatible. I seem to recall Physicist highlighted the differences.
Aside from that, you are correct. There are Christians who compromise and try to marry Creation and evolution. I use the terms as convenient labels, and I believe they are the alternatives.
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And Micaiah said, "As the LORD lives, whatever the LORD says to me, that I will speak." (1 Kings 22:14)
Yeah I have read the "Creation from Genesis". It isn't compatible if you take the Creation from Genesis completely literal. Most Christians don't take it literal. I know a lot of Christians that believe in evolution, and accept the bible.
And from what I can tell the people that believe in YEC and "Creation from genesis" are the minority. I haven't met any YEC in real life. But hey what do I know.
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When I read the Bible, unless there is strong reason to suggest otherwise, I take the meaning to be the plain sense on the words. It is very easy to distort what was clearly intended if you adopt a different approach to interpretation. Jesus and the Apostle Paul took the plain sense of the words from Genesis 1 and 2 as their meaning.
Do you consider it is possible a Creator was involved with the Creation of the world?
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And Micaiah said, "As the LORD lives, whatever the LORD says to me, that I will speak." (1 Kings 22:14)
Originally posted by Micaiah When I read the Bible, unless there is strong reason to suggest otherwise, I take the meaning to be the plain sense on the words. It is very easy to distort what was clearly intended if you adopt a different approach to interpretation. Jesus and the Apostle Paul took the plain sense of the words from Genesis 1 and 2 as their meaning.
Do you consider it is possible a Creator was involved with the Creation of the world?
I don't believe that there was a Creator. Because if you say that there was you have to ask what created the Creator.
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Hmmmm, it is hard to grasp the concept of God from a purely human/logic perpective. I don't think I could not really prove to you scientifically that God exists.
Blaise Pascal once said something like 'The heart hath reason that reason doth not know'. I look at the natural world and intuitively 'feel' that there was Someone much bigger and more powerful than me who put it all together and made it work with such harmony and precision.
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but I suspect it misses the point. What if ice was heavier than water. Ponds and lakes would freeze from the bottom up. That would have a big detrimental impact on fish etc in the water. Their source of food would often be frozen, and there would be the possibility of death due to a pond freezing up completely from bottom up. Water creatures can escape to safer waters more easily if it freezes from top to bottom. 
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