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Something has been conspicuously snipped from an otherwise practically identical page on AiG's site:
Originally Posted by What AiG won't say?
[Ed. note: For CMI’s point-by-point response to Kent Hovind’s attempted critique of this page, see Maintaining Creationist Integrity.]
To be honest, I don't care a single bit about whether the tax charges against Kent Hovind are real or not. I don't give a whit about whether he's got undeclared taxes costing the United States, and my only concern for Dinosaur Defactification Land is that yet more money is being shunted by well-meaning Christians away from places where it's actually needed. It doesn't affect the fact that:
When it comes to science, Kent Hovind is clueless.
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I guess I'm not totally surprised if AiG's a little gunshy on the issue.
What's up with "CMI" and "AIG"? Are they the same entity or different ones?
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And who that has understanding will suppose that the first, and second, and third day, and the evening and the morning, existed without a sun, and moon, and stars? - Origen, 215AD [De Principiis 4.1.16]
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I am saddened any time a visible Christian leader is disgraced, even if I violently disagree with them. Like Nathan with King David -- I believe our sins can give opportunity for the enemies of God. I am far from perfect, and so are many leaders.
Personally, I believe that Kent Hovind held his slightly off-base view of the government sincerely. He's wrong, of course, but I don't have any evidence that he is not sincere. However, even if I did consider him a charlatan, I would not rejoice in him being taken down, but rather I suggest praying that it would not affect the cause of Christ in the hearts of unbelievers or believers.
I am sad that any person is suffering, but I am glad for the possibility that a scammer will get shut down. He's made a lot of money fleecing people.
I think his previous actions have done more to harm the cause of Christ than getting busted will. If nothing else, this helps people believe that there is justice.
__________________ Save me / And when you see me strut / Remind me of what left this outlaw torn I follow Christ; therefore I am To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. . I affirm the Nicene Creed.
For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. -- Romans 8:38-39
It may seem that he got busted on some really technical stuff, but don't forget... Al Capone was busted on tax evasion.
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Christian Fundamentalists and Muslim Fundamentalists seem to share the same basic goal - to overthrow the Constitutional Republic of the United States, and replace it with a fundamentalist theocracy.
Personally, I believe that Kent Hovind held his slightly off-base view of the government sincerely. He's wrong, of course, but I don't have any evidence that he is not sincere. However, even if I did consider him a charlatan, I would not rejoice in him being taken down, but rather I suggest praying that it would not affect the cause of Christ in the hearts of unbelievers or believers.
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I respectfully disagree...I have no doubt that he is a charlatan, and am embarassed by what he has done in the name a the Christian faith. I think it sends an important message to the hearts of unbelievers that we police our own, and will not defend a man simply because he is a Christian. Hovind deserves no more sympathy than any other criminal.
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but I don't have any evidence that he is not sincere.
we have this odd way of judging the truthfulness of someone's position. if they hold to it sincerely or with great passion we tend to believe it is more true than if beliefs are held insincerely or held to lightly.
there is simply no necessary relationship between the three elements:
truth, sincerity, passion
people can be and often are sincerely wrong.
people can and do hold to illusions with tenacity and great passion.
judge truth on it's evidence.
sincerity by it's fruits not its voice. if voice and deeds are in concert that is true sincerity.
and passion by how those people interact with those they don't particularly like. if they treat those people kindly despite their dislike then their passion doesn't blind them to others, a good thing.
Hovind fails on all 3 counts: truthfulness, sincerity and passion tests.
He misleads and lies, his sincerity didn't extend to spending money just to saving it for himself, and his passion is apparently to hold on to the riches of this world.
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__________________ i got a warning for flaming.
i find myself unable to participate here as a result.
this being the first of it's kind since i signed into FidoNet 20 years ago.
and am no longer posting to CF.
thanks to everyone who i have encountered over the years i spent here.
) daughter organization split off from AiG in 2006 (IIRC). There are some commentary links on this thread:
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