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15th July 2006, 09:47 PM
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Reps: 10,650,469,354,350,864 (power: 10,650,469,354,380) | | Originally Posted by vossler Whether this is true or not I haven't a clue and won't comment on. What is disturbing is that a fellow Christian is seemingly gloating over this event. I'm at a loss to understand why.
Same here. I don't know much about this guy, I heard him on Art Bell on night and he made a lot of sense. But that was like 7 years ago!
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15th July 2006, 10:12 PM
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Reps: 1,170,005,508,018,711 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Poke I didn't know it was a crime to withdraw under $10,000 from the bank, even if done a number of times. Some people just like privacy.
The law says that withdrawals of $10,000 or more must be reported. This is meaure that stems from RICO and various anti-drug laws.
If a bank sees a pattern of 'just under' $10,000 withdrawals then they are obligated to report that to the Feds (IRS or Customs).
Why? Because while everyone is entitled to their money, a long term pattern of 'just under' withdrawals, especially cash withdrawals, is closely associated with the drug and gun trade, money laundering and other nefarious activities.
This is not about privacy. This is about a pattern of behaviour that is closely associated with crime.
And guess what? Is was associated with crime!
The bank did what is was supposed to do. The Feds did what they were supposed to do.
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15th July 2006, 10:16 PM
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Reps: 9,223,372,051,715,188 (power: 9,223,372,051,740) | | Originally Posted by TEBeliever Why in quotes Poke?
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15th July 2006, 10:38 PM
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Reps: 41,675,030,468,780,496 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by JeffreyLloyd Same here. I don't know much about this guy, I heard him on Art Bell on night and he made a lot of sense. But that was like 7 years ago!
Frightening statement. |
15th July 2006, 10:42 PM
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15th July 2006, 11:02 PM
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Reps: 41,675,030,468,780,496 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by JeffreyLloyd Not an Art Bell fan?
Bell is just a media hack - no the frightening thing was the concept of Hovind making sense. |
15th July 2006, 11:06 PM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by chaoschristian The law says that withdrawals of $10,000 or more must be reported. This is meaure that stems from RICO and various anti-drug laws.
If a bank sees a pattern of 'just under' $10,000 withdrawals then they are obligated to report that to the Feds (IRS or Customs).
Why? Because...
The "why" has nothing to do with it. Hovind didn't violate anything you say the "the law says..." Hovind didn't violate the law. And guess what? Is was associated with crime!
What crime? According to the article, he's charged with "evading bank reporting requirements." It seems to me that only a bank can violate bank reporting requirements. But, more to the point, it's a BS charge that can be thrown against anyone. And, BS charges are the only kind of charges Hovind is accused of. It's like you being arrested for avoiding handicap parking restrictions by parking in the space next to the handicap parking space.
Hovind's only crime is fighting for freedom. |
15th July 2006, 11:08 PM
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And a bad haircut. You can't pay your employees in cash and not report it. Regardless of what Hovind calls them, under the laws of the state and country he is in, what he did was against the law.
Why does Hovind hate America?
Breaking the law != fighting for freedom.
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16th July 2006, 12:08 AM
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Reps: 1,170,005,508,018,711 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Poke The "why" has nothing to do with it. Hovind didn't violate anything you say the "the law says..." Hovind didn't violate the law.
What crime? According to the article, he's charged with "evading bank reporting requirements." It seems to me that only a bank can violate bank reporting requirements. But, more to the point, it's a BS charge that can be thrown against anyone. And, BS charges are the only kind of charges Hovind is accused of. It's like you being arrested for avoiding handicap parking restrictions by parking in the space next to the handicap parking space.
Let me explain again:
A person who banks within the jurisdiction of the United States of America is required to report all withdrawals of funds that are $10,000 or more.
One, may of course, withdrawal less then $10,000 at any given time.
However, if a person demonstrates a continued pattern of withdrawing less then $10,000 (especially in cash) this is a red flag to the bank that more likely than not this person is engaged in questionable behaviour. Banks that observe this behaviour report it to the appropriate Federal agency.
Specifically withdrawing less than $10,000 with the intent to avoid reporting laws, in conjunction with other illegal activity, is a crime.
This is not BS. This is how drug dealers, gun traders, slave traders, money launderers, etc are spotted and caught. |
16th July 2006, 12:08 AM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by notto You can't pay your employees in cash and not report it.
I don't see where in the article that he's accused of failing to report something he's required to report. Breaking the law != fighting for freedom.
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