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18th July 2006, 04:03 AM
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Reps: 417,893,118,560,813 (power: 417,893,118,568) | | Originally Posted by xpiotosaves I suggest you read of Pandas and People and really try to prove it false. I bet you will not because you are so closed minded. I will leave you with this food for thought:
Jesus in John 17:17 said "Your (God's) word (the Holy Bible) is truth." Now if you're saying it isn't true, and Jesus said it was, then you're saying that Jesus is a liar therefore a sinner.
Jesus isn't talking about a book there, but rather the words he received from the Father that he shared with his followers (17:8). He even distinguishes this from Scripture, which is what he fulfilled (17:12). Now, certainly some of what Jesus said is recorded in the gospels, but the "your word" in this verse is something more expansive than a book or collection of books.
In any case, it most certainly is not referring to Of Pandas and People being God's word or truth, so I'm not sure why you quoted it in this context. |
18th July 2006, 04:07 AM
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Reps: 13 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by -Mercury- Jesus isn't talking about a book there, but rather the words he received from the Father that he shared with his followers (17:8). He even distinguishes this from Scripture, which is what he fulfilled (17:12). Now, certainly some of what Jesus said is recorded in the gospels, but the "your word" in this verse is something more expansive than a book or collection of books.
In any case, it most certainly is not referring to Of Pandas and People being God's word or truth, so I'm not sure why you quoted it in this context.
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18th July 2006, 04:24 AM
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Reps: 417,893,118,560,813 (power: 417,893,118,568) | | | xpiotosaves, please read before you respond. I do not think Of Pandas and People is the Bible, and I think God's word includes more than Scripture, though Scripture is part of it. For instance, it includes things Jesus said that aren't recorded in the gospels. |
18th July 2006, 06:09 AM
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18th July 2006, 03:22 PM
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Reps: 4,026 (power: 11) | | Originally Posted by xpiotosaves Yeah, fraud by evolutionists supporters.
Clearly a false claim. Your ears are purely closed to anything I say, or anything said by creationist supporters.
Nope. I accept what you say, but don't make false claims about science, it is that simple. I suggest you read of Pandas and People and really try to prove it false.
I read it, it was full of falsehoods and misrepresentations. I bet you will not because you are so closed minded.
Could you please restrain your personal attacks? I will leave you with this food for thought:
Jesus in John 17:17 said "Your (God's) word (the Holy Bible) is truth."
Yes? Now if you're saying it isn't true, and Jesus said it was, then you're saying that Jesus is a liar therefore a sinner.
Nope.
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