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Originally Posted by andybmi
Interesting point but how does that fit in with David when God said through the prophet Nathan that HE (God) had given David Sauls wives. How He (God) would of given him (David) more if he had wanted more.
Also in the case of David how could it be for population increase as he had so many wives and alot of sons. Also they had a decent population.
But the main point as i have said in each post. God gave David those wives. God said He would of given David more wives. So how can God give us some thing bad? He can't there for Polygamy is not sinful Biblically!
Perhaps you have a point there for consideration., if you choose to follow all portions of the Bible without taking into account cultural circumstances.

It's to say that the Bible promotes slavery, since there are many verses about servants, and such.

We should be mindful of distinguishing verses that command something of us, and verses that only reference a cultural occurrence, that neither advocates or condones the practice.

As a Christian, one should pay particular attention to the God of the New testament, and yes I know the saying, "God is the same, yesterday, today, and forever", but there is a movement in our behavior to the God of old, and the God of new, that wanders away from a God of trivial laws, to a God of thought.

There is no value in polygamy in this day and age; it serves no purpose, and in fact serves a purpose that's counter productive to the modern family. A two parents household already has such a burden of issues to face in this day and age.

The real question someone should ask, when they contemplate polygamy, is "what is the moral worth?", and I find none, do you find anything of value in such a thing? I only see the allure of perversion.
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Originally Posted by hithesh
Perhaps you have a point there for consideration., if you choose to follow all portions of the Bible without taking into account cultural circumstances.

It's to say that the Bible promotes slavery, since there are many verses about servants, and such.

We should be mindful of distinguishing verses that command something of us, and verses that only reference a cultural occurrence, that neither advocates or condones the practice.

As a Christian, one should pay particular attention to the God of the New testament, and yes I know the saying, "God is the same, yesterday, today, and forever", but there is a movement in our behavior to the God of old, and the God of new, that wanders away from a God of trivial laws, to a God of thought.

There is no value in polygamy in this day and age; it serves no purpose, and in fact serves a purpose that's counter productive to the modern family. A two parents household already has such a burden of issues to face in this day and age.

The real question someone should ask, when they contemplate polygamy, is "what is the moral worth?", and I find none, do you find anything of value in such a thing? I only see the allure of perversion.
But in this case with Polygamy. We have a clear case of God being the instigator of it. So if Polygamy was a sin God would be a sinner? Since there is no where in the Bible saying it is a sin who is man to say it is a sin?
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Originally Posted by andybmi
But in this case with Polygamy. We have a clear case of God being the instigator of it. So if Polygamy was a sin God would be a sinner? Since there is no where in the Bible saying it is a sin who is man to say it is a sin?
When God allows something for a reason and if that reason is fulfilled, God may say NO MORE.

"Repopulating the earth" was one of the reasons God permitted multiple marriages.

However, God never commanded it. He just said, "Be fruitful and multiple and fill the earth."

While God allowed such things didn't mean it was a commandment, nor did it mean we were to take advantage of God's mercy on our foolishness.

Solomon had over 600 wives and those wives brought in their false gods into the land and the worship of such gods split the kingdom and ultimately made Solomon a marked man by God.

Abraham had Sarah and Sarah came up with the bright idea that Abraham was to go into her servant Hagar. Was this GOD'S WILL, or Sarah's will?

We need to realize that when God says, NO MORE, He means it.

There is NO REASON for a man to have multiple wives now. The earth is actually overpopulated. In the beginning, I can see why God allowed it. Now, there is no justification for it and certainly NOT endorsed by God, Himself.

Originally men lived on the earth hundreds of years (for the sake of population). However, God then limited man's life to 120 years on the earth.

So, are you saying that God was wrong to "change His Mind" or to give man a New Dispensation?

There is a time for everything and when God says, NO MORE.

Anything becomes sin when you refuse to head the voice of the Lord.

If God said STOP IT, then we should be willing to obey.
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^^Bingo^^! Warrior hit the nail on the head!

God allowing polygamy for "a time" could then be looked upon the same way God allowed animal sacrifices "for a time" --- but my further spin on this is these occurred AFTER the fall and BEFORE the birth of Jesus, The Christ.
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^^Bingo^^! Warrior hit the nail on the head!

God allowing polygamy for "a time" could then be looked upon the same way God allowed animal sacrifices "for a time" --- but my further spin on this is these occurred AFTER the fall and BEFORE the birth of Jesus, The Christ.
Difference is, God actually asked for animal sacrifices for a time... polygamy was not even commented on.
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Originally Posted by Margim
Difference is, God actually asked for animal sacrifices for a time... polygamy was not even commented on.
I have posted numerous times here God said to David Through the prophet Nathan IF YOU HAD WANTED MORE I WOULD OF GIVEN YOU MORE! refering to kingdom, wealth and WIVES.


How can God give some thing thats bad?
How can God give to David more wives if it is a sin?
Surely it would mean God is tempting David?
James epistle clearly states, God does not tempt us to sin.
So clearly its not a sin to have more than one wife.

all things in caps is for Emphasis...

PS : I only want one wife...
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Originally Posted by andybmi
I have posted numerous times here God said to David Through the prophet Nathan IF YOU HAD WANTED MORE I WOULD OF GIVEN YOU MORE! refering to kingdom, wealth and WIVES.
Could I see that WHOLE scripture please, or can you give me book and scripture number to start.

Thanks!
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Originally Posted by Margim
Difference is, God actually asked for animal sacrifices for a time... polygamy was not even commented on.
The ending of animal sacrifices is never mentioned in the NT... I don't think, as I met a Messianic Jew who believes he is still going to have one day continue with animal sacrifices once his "levite altar is consecreted by God". So, as far as I know, I couldn't prove to him that animal sacrifices are condemned in the NT.

So, here we go round and round again.


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Originally Posted by andybmi
I have posted numerous times here God said to David Through the prophet Nathan IF YOU HAD WANTED MORE I WOULD OF GIVEN YOU MORE! refering to kingdom, wealth and WIVES.
Actually, if you read through this thread for my other 'numerous' posts, you will see that I'm not disagreeing with you.

I am also suggesting polygamy is not dismissed in the bible, with evidence that builds up the case a little stronger and further than your reference to David.
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