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28th June 2006, 12:14 PM
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Reps: 17,483,847 (power: 17,493) | | Originally Posted by Poke There's nothing inappropriate about my remark. Just like there's nothing inappropriate about Evolutionists ignoring the high degree of Evolutionist bigotry.
I apologize Poke, I thought you were making your point as a means of trying to incite instead of educate. I now see what you trying to say and agree with you.
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28th June 2006, 01:41 PM
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Reps: 983,442 (power: 991) | | Originally Posted by Driver The Institution for Creation Research lists their faculty here.
I'm a YECer, and I really like the work ICR does. The faculty list includes doctorates from many prestigious universities. One thing I'd like to see, however, is what the various doctorates were in. It makes a huge difference if the doctorate is in English or PoliSci or whatever, versus Biology or Biochemistry, etc. One thing TEs and others legitamately slam us for is doctorates in unrelated fields. Of course that doesn't invalidate the young earth position, but it would be much better if the people were shown to be solidly knowledgable in the field.
Of course, that's one of the biggest problem for YEC. The number of people studying and working on the young earth position is a tiny miniscule fraction of the overall scientific community. This makes it much harder to demonstrate the scientific validity of this position.
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28th June 2006, 01:55 PM
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Reps: 18,889,155,825,852,136 (power: 18,889,155,825,864) | | Originally Posted by laptoppop One thing I'd like to see, however, is what the various doctorates were in. It makes a huge difference if the doctorate is in English or PoliSci or whatever, versus Biology or Biochemistry, etc. One thing TEs and others legitamately slam us for is doctorates in unrelated fields. Of course that doesn't invalidate the young earth position, but it would be much better if the people were shown to be solidly knowledgable in the field.
Why do you think they don't post the doctorate fields? It's no accident.
In fact, recruiting people trained in the biological and earth sciences has long been a problem for YEC organizations like ICR, because the more educated one becomes on these issues, the more one realizes that the first few chapters of Genesis cannot be taken literally. Take Nicolaas Rupke, for example. Here was this intelligent, promising YEC that Henry Morris was going to take under his belt come grad school. But by the time Rupke finished his thesis, he was no longer convinced that YEC was scientifically valid. There are all kinds of instances like this documented in Ron Numbers' book The Creationists (a book endorsed by Morris himself, by the way).
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28th June 2006, 08:11 PM
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Reps: 4,026 (power: 11) | | Originally Posted by Poke professor recommendations are. If not for bigotry, why did biology Professor Michael Dini Texas Tech University at one time say he would not give a letter of recommendation to anyone who did not believe Evolution?
Hmm, that's not what his website says. It states that if you want his recommendation, " I will ask you: "How do you account for the scientific origin of the human species?" If you will not give a scientific answer to this question, then you should not seek my recommendation." It doesn't at all say that you have to "believe" in Evolution. It merely says that you must be able to give a scientific answer. Certainly, in a science field, that is a completely reasonable requirement.
Or did you think that students should get recommendations from science professors without having knowledge of science? That would be outright dumb, wouldn't it?
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28th June 2006, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Mallon Why do you think they don't post the doctorate fields? It's no accident.
In fact, recruiting people trained in the biological and earth sciences has long been a problem for YEC organizations like ICR, because the more educated one becomes on these issues, the more one realizes that the first few chapters of Genesis cannot be taken literally. Take Nicolaas Rupke, for example. Here was this intelligent, promising YEC that Henry Morris was going to take under his belt come grad school. But by the time Rupke finished his thesis, he was no longer convinced that YEC was scientifically valid. There are all kinds of instances like this documented in Ron Numbers' book The Creationists (a book endorsed by Morris himself, by the way).
Mallon is exactly right, it's misleading and done purposefully and it should make one wonder and make one sick. Ask yourself how many know they are purposefully misleading the public by setting up information this way and limitting it other ways? It happens all of the time.
I'll give you an example that's close to home here. Before I go, I believe that Marriage is an institution laid out by God for a man and a woman, not for Gays. So I don't think Gays should marry. To get to the point however:
This wedsite has ads on it, at the bottom of each page is a banner ad, at least for me since I'm not a sponsor yet. One of the ads was for Pollingpoint DOT com. In the ad is ask, "Should gays marry?" DO YOU THINK YOU' D GET AN UNBIASED SAMPLE FOR THE POLL AT A CHRISTIAN WEBSITE? Doubtful, is it a poll Pollingpoint DOT com wants to see with rigged results.......it scares me to think.
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28th June 2006, 08:38 PM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by steen Hmm, that's not what his website says. It states that if you want his recommendation, "I will ask you: "How do you account for the scientific origin of the human species?" If you will not give a scientific answer to this question, then you should not seek my recommendation."
It doesn't at all say that you have to "believe" in Evolution. It merely says that you must be able to give a scientific answer. Certainly, in a science field, that is a completely reasonable requirement.
Or did you think that students should get recommendations from science professors without having knowledge of science? That would be outright dumb, wouldn't it?
I have to wonder if you're honestly wrong, or if you're lying. How did you find that website without finding ample proof that my statement is correct? Actually, I don't wonder. |
28th June 2006, 08:46 PM
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12th July 2006, 01:43 PM
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13th July 2006, 01:19 PM
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Reps: 3,244 (power: 13) | | Originally Posted by pastorkevin73 Anyone know anything about a Dr. Jobe Martin?
From the publisher's blurb on his book: Dr. Martin graduated from Bucknell University where he studied biology as well as a graduate of the University of Pittsburgh Dental School. From what I could see its pretty much the same old stuff. |
13th July 2006, 02:02 PM
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Reps: 18,889,155,825,852,136 (power: 18,889,155,825,864) | | Originally Posted by Robert the Pilegrim From the publisher's blurb on his book: Dr. Martin graduated from Bucknell University where he studied biology as well as a graduate of the University of Pittsburgh Dental School. From what I could see its pretty much the same old stuff.
Hm. So if I have a question about evolution, I should ask Dr. Martin, the dentist. Does this mean that if I have a toothache, I should see an evolutionary scientist? 
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