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13th July 2006, 07:15 PM
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Reps: 180 (power: 0) | | | i think we need to take what the bible says about what makes a false prophet and leave it at that.
but as far as his course of action in healing. God knows whether benny is doing according to Him or for show. It is Gods job to deal with the heart.
If you decide to watch or go to one of his shows.. just be prayerful, ask for wisdom for God to divide Truth from showiness, and put on your armour. Either way you will ready.. for the enemy or for God.
~Natsumi Lam~
__________________ ~ A Preparer of the Bride~ 1 John 4: 1-6 1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. 5They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. 6We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. |
13th July 2006, 07:16 PM
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Reps: 4,318 (power: 18) | | Originally Posted by JoshuaW There will be a profile on Benny tonight on Primetime (ABC).
All I have to say is that many Christians willingly set aside their doubts when someone comes to them "in the name of the Lord". They did this with George Bush in 2000 and now with Benny. If a man truly is doing the Lord's work he will survive the doubts of a skeptic and respect him more for his caution. Remember Paul.
Sorry, but as I've never heard Benny Hinn ever say the Name of God, I can't accept that He comes in His Name.
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13th July 2006, 10:07 PM
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Reps: 70,537,198,888 (power: 70,537,204) | | Originally Posted by semperfi_psalm121 Eyez of fire- What the mess are you talking about. What you are saying is coming across like you've been brain-washed or something. Are u ok?
I'm not sure what I said that would make you think that. Other than if you dont like Benny Hinn or agree with his teachings it's okay. I'm not a die hard Benny Hinn person myself, but I do believe the man has done good for the kingdom of God. Many Blessings friend... 
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Reps: 154,934,472,116 (power: 154,934,481) | | Originally Posted by S Walch Sorry, but as I've never heard Benny Hinn ever say the Name of God, I can't accept that He comes in His Name
As for me, each time I've heard Benny Hinn say the Name of God with much love and respect, don't know where were you, or if it's the same Benny Hinn we are talking about?????
Benny Hinn is doing great things for the Lord...God bless that man of God much! |
23rd July 2006, 03:36 PM
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Reps: 180 (power: 0) | | | Just remember Great men of God did awsome things for God yet were led astray by the intents of the heart. King David.
When you evaluate a pastor, man or leader it is imparitive that you look to the whole of that man. Does he follow God to the Best of His ability? Does his actions glorify man or God? Does he say things in God's name without it coming to pass? Does he walk what he talks? etc.
Man can not look to a leader and discard things he find taht contradicts his views of that man and take the rest. If Benny Hinn proclaimed many things without it coming to pass in the name of God, than biblically we have to call him a false prophet. Even thought he does and has done great things in God, doesnt negate the fact that he fits the profile of a faulse prophet.
Remember in the last days a leader is going to rise up and do awsome signs and miracles and then he will be glorified. You must evaluate the whole man, not just the parts you like.
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__________________ ~ A Preparer of the Bride~ 1 John 4: 1-6 1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. 5They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. 6We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. |
23rd July 2006, 05:16 PM
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See, it just depends on what you extrapolate (or your favorite teachers extrapolate) from the same passages of scripture. Originally Posted by NatsumiLam If Benny Hinn proclaimed many things without it coming to pass in the name of God, than biblically we have to call him a false prophet. Even thought he does and has done great things in God, doesnt negate the fact that he fits the profile of a faulse prophet. |
23rd July 2006, 05:37 PM
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Reps: 180 (power: 0) | | Ezek 13:6 Their visions are false and their divinations a lie. They say, "The LORD declares," when the LORD has not sent them; yet they expect their words to be fulfilled. 07081 qecem {keh'-sem} divination, witchcraft, divine sentence
used in Ez 13:6
If the Lord Declares it will come to pass unless He says" If you change your ways THEN it will not come to pass."
If it has not come to pass on in that time that it is declared to come to pass it is not off the Lord.
It is a very easy verse to understand. Deuteronomy 18:22 "When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him"
02087 zadown {zaw-done'} pride, presumptuously, proud
Used in Deut 18:22 Mark 7:22-23 22 thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lewdness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. 23 All these evil things come from within and defile a man.” Jer 14:14 Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart. 07081 qecem {keh'-sem} divination, witchcraft, divine sentence Ezek 13:2 [NIV] "Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel who are now prophesying. Say to those who prophesy out of their own imagination: 'Hear the word of the LORD! Ezek 13:3 This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Woe to the foolish prophets who follow their own spirit and have seen nothing! Ezek 13:4 Your prophets, O Israel, are like jackals among ruins. Ezek 13:5 You have not gone up to the breaks in the wall to repair it for the house of Israel so that it will stand firm in the battle on the day of the LORD. Ezek 13:6 Their visions are false and their divinations a lie. They say, "The LORD declares," when the LORD has not sent them; yet they expect their words to be fulfilled. Ezek 13:7 Have you not seen false visions and uttered lying divinations when you say, "The LORD declares," though I have not spoken? Ezek 13:8 "'Therefore this is what the Sovereign LORD says: Because of your false words and lying visions, I am against you, declares the Sovereign LORD. Ezek 13:9 My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations. They will not belong to the council of my people or be listed in the records of the house of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Sovereign LORD.
Remember God calles divination an abomination and he equates false words in the name of teh Lord as divination [Deut 18:10-12] 07081 qecem {keh'-sem} divination, witchcraft, divine sentence
witchcraft and divination of a false prophet in Deut 18
also in Ez 13:6 07080 qacam {kaw-sam'} divine, diviners, use, divination, prudent, soothsayer
word used in Ez 13
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__________________ ~ A Preparer of the Bride~ 1 John 4: 1-6 1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. 5They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. 6We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
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23rd July 2006, 06:24 PM
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Reps: 8,131 (power: 16) | | We obviously have a strong difference of opinion. The only thing I could say is to recommend that you read some books or listen to some CDs by current prophets to better understand the prophetic in general.
I would recommend Secrets of the Prophetic by Kim Clement. Here's the blurb from his web site: In Secrets of the Prophetic, Author Kim Clement shares from his many years of experience in demonstrating prophetic ministry, in the church and the marketplace, to show you how to enter the future that God has prepared for you. Kim answers questions such as: How can I really know if it is God's voice speaking to me? What can stop a prophecy from being fulfilled? How do I enter the promise God has given me? How can I become God's voice to others?
There are many other prophets whose prophetic words you can find at www.elijahlist.com. Such people as Todd Bentley, James W. Goll, Heidi Baker, and Chuck Pierce.
This web site is a treasure trove of the prophetic.
They also announce upcoming prophetic conferences (and many other kinds of conferences) in all parts of the world.
For example, coming up in Atlanta, Georgia, August 15-19, is the 15th annual apostles & prophets conference. Here's what the description says: Life Center Ministries, in partnership with Healing Rooms, is bringing you one of the most important events you can attend this year. Come expecting to be activated, equipped and released to move in the miraculous.
You will be trained, activated, and launched to walk in miracles in your day-to-day life. In your business, in your health, in your relationships. This is NOT a "theory-only" event, but a hands-on, workshop-driven conference that will equip and empower you to walk in the miraculous! Originally Posted by NatsumiLam Ezek 13:6 Their visions are false and their divinations a lie. They say, "The LORD declares," when the LORD has not sent them; yet they expect their words to be fulfilled.
If the Lord Declares it will come to pass unless He says" If you change your ways THEN it will not come to pass."
If it has not come to pass on in that time that it is declared to come to pass it is not off the Lord.
It is a very easy verse to understand.
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23rd July 2006, 06:30 PM
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in the end God calls words that dont come to pass, divination. Thus i take the word of God over excuses or ' reasons it hasnt happened. That is why we are not to take the words He says lightly. We are to weigh with two or three witnesses the truth,, rather than spouting out into.
But if God proclaims, unless it is just a test to change, it has to come to pass or he has lied.
either way. Benny Hinn said things and dates.. those have not come to pass.
ps That was not my whole post you quoted.
~Natsumi Lam~
__________________ ~ A Preparer of the Bride~ 1 John 4: 1-6 1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. 5They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. 6We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
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