but we also gotta ask where our leaders line up with God and if their prophecies that they claim are in the name of God are true. so we dont submit ourselves under false prophets and teachers.
~natsumi Lam~
John 10:4
When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice.
We don't have to ask ourselves... if we are Gods sheep.. we should know His voice.. We should know who is and who is not of God..
Matthew 7:16
Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
John 10:4
When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice.
We don't have to ask ourselves... if we are Gods sheep.. we should know His voice.. We should know who is and who is not of God..
Matthew 7:16
Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
what ? i wasnt talking about if we are God's sheep. I am saying.. before we submit ourselves under a leader[another man or woman] we should find out by prayer and examination who his leader is.
Yes some people have some nice looking fruit but they have worms in it.
~Natsumi Lam~
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~ A Preparer of the Bride~
1 John 4: 1-6
1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
5They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
6We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
I like Benny Hinn and before I was saved I used to make fun of TV evanglists and I thought they were a bunch of crooks especially after Jim Bakker and Jimmy Swaggart. Then God started working on my heart and telling me it's not about the money you send. It's if I tell you to send it and you're obdient to do it, Think about! It's God's money and we are stewards. Even though the men were misusing the money doesnt mean the people didnt get blessed. I'm going to say something that may sound a bit off but please bear with me. Say God told you to send $$$ to a Jim Bakker or Benny Hinn, and say CNN does a story that exposes Benny Hinn misusing the $$ people send to him. Gods not going to hold you accountable for being a bad steward. You gave because he laid it on your heart, and for that you will be rewarded. It goes deeper, because God forknew that the person would misuse the money, be caught, and be turned to repentance. The dollar that you sent may have aided that Jim Bakker or Benny Hinn back into his walk with Christ. Our God is much bigger than our minds and his thoughts are not our thoughts...
PS Abt Benny Hinn: you cannot waive your hand or blow into a mic and 75% percent of a stadium filled with thousands of people falling down lie dominos. No one but the power of God can do that
Yes, EyezOFire. It's all about obedience to God. We should never be giving money based on how we FEEL about any man or woman or cause, but only in obedience to God's direction, no matter how weird it may seem to us.
I was told by God to give to the PTL group AFTER Jim Bakker's fall! I was definitely taken back a bit and confused, but the Lord showed me there were faithful employees there who were innocent and were devastated by the trouble and they still needed to be taken care of.
Don't listen to anybody but the Holy Spirit inside you. And BE OBEDIENT!
Originally Posted by EyezOFire
I like Benny Hinn and before I was saved I used to make fun of TV evanglists and I thought they were a bunch of crooks especially after Jim Bakker and Jimmy Swaggart. Then God started working on my heart and telling me it's not about the money you send. It's if I tell you to send it and you're obdient to do it, Think about! It's God's money and we are stewards. Even though the men were misusing the money doesnt mean the people didnt get blessed. I'm going to say something that may sound a bit off but please bear with me. Say God told you to send $$$ to a Jim Bakker or Benny Hinn, and say CNN does a story that exposes Benny Hinn misusing the $$ people send to him. Gods not going to hold you accountable for being a bad steward. You gave because he laid it on your heart, and for that you will be rewarded. It goes deeper, because God forknew that the person would misuse the money, be caught, and be turned to repentance. The dollar that you sent may have aided that Jim Bakker or Benny Hinn back into his walk with Christ. Our God is much bigger than our minds and his thoughts are not our thoughts...
PS Abt Benny Hinn: you cannot waive your hand or blow into a mic and 75% percent of a stadium filled with thousands of people falling down lie dominos. No one but the power of God can do that
I'm sorry but God is not going to tell someone to send money to someone who is not real and abuses money. That thought to me is insane. I give money where I am fed, but thats just me I guess.
I'm sorry but God is not going to tell someone to send money to someone who is not real and abuses money. That thought to me is insane. I give money where I am fed, but thats just me I guess.
I was not implying that, What I was saying is that the money people sent still ended up being a blessing to other people and it was still used for Gods ultimate purpose. Paul said some preach Christ out of rightenous and others after selfish reasons, But it makes no difference as long as Christ is preached. That's still true today and we have to let God judge the hearts of TV preachers "real" and "phony" alike. Say in the future God does ask you to sow into a ministry then 10 years down the road, the pastor is caught in a public scandal. Would you have known he's "real" at the beginning ??? Of course not ! Only God does, your job is to be obedient...
Gods heart is to see preachers who fall publicly restored in a right relationship with Him.
I just watched a teaching by Benny Hinn and was so encouraged by it that I hoped my parents would sit and watch it with me... Benny was teaching on the bible!! Using scriptures and making it so understandable..
My parents just see the things he does and won't accept Benny at all.. I was sad.. they are Christians.. But I had my bible... in front of the TV making notes and searching the scriptures... amazing that this goes to air and is televised over the world.. teaching.. amen Halleuiah..
Oh Lord open our eyes and open our ears.. Your ways are not our ways and Your thoughts are not our thoughts.. I keep thinking of John the Baptist out there.. not all his ways were understood by the world.. but boy did he have a mesage..
God does not judge by outward appearences nor by our failures which are under the blood.. but by our heart.. and what comes out of it..
I so agree, EyezOFire. Jim Bakker has been restored and is ministering again, in all humility. God is the Master of restoration.
Originally Posted by EyezOFire
What I was saying is that the money people sent still ended up being a blessing to other people and it was still used for Gods ultimate purpose. Paul said some preach Christ out of rightenous and others after selfish reasons, But it makes no difference as long as Christ is preached. That's still true today and we have to let God judge the hearts of TV preachers "real" and "phony" alike. Say in the future God does ask you to sow into a ministry then 10 years down the road, the pastor is caught in a public scandal. Would you have known he's "real" at the beginning ??? Of course not ! Only God does, your job is to be obedient...
Gods heart is to see preachers who fall publicly restored in a right relationship with Him.
Oh Lord open our eyes and open our ears.. Your ways are not our ways and Your thoughts are not our thoughts.. I keep thinking of John the Baptist out there.. not all his ways were understood by the world.. but boy did he have a mesage..
God does not judge by outward appearences nor by our failures which are under the blood.. but by our heart.. and what comes out of it..
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And don't give up with your parents, Peacechild. I pray that the Word of God will be heard and received, regardless of whose mouth it comes out of, as it goes into the atmosphere at your house.
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. (Hebrews 4:12)
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