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22nd June 2006, 01:21 AM
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Just a little Trinity question. |
22nd June 2006, 01:41 AM
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It doesn't. 
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22nd June 2006, 03:18 AM
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Originally Posted by AeonJ Just a little Trinity question. Do you mean the verse in John10:30 "I and the father are one" How about John14:9? When Phillip ask christ if He would just show them the Father. and Jesus said basicly that you are speaking to Him. The trinity does not fit real good into our brains and it is difficult to understand. The Jew knew what Jesus ment in John10:30, because in the next verse they pick up stones. Now is the question is Christ and the father the same being or are they one in thought? I don't think it is really possibe to seperate the trinity, but if you look closely at the workings of the Holy spirit you will see that Jesus had to leave before the Spirit would come. There never seems to be two parts of the trinity on earth at the same time. John914 |
22nd June 2006, 05:34 AM
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The Athanasian Creed is that latest of the ecumenical creeds, dating back to the early dark ages. Though seldom used in worship, it is one of the clearest definitions of the Trinity and the incarnation ever written.
http://www.holybible.com/resources/athanasius_creed.htm
Read through the above link.
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22nd June 2006, 03:19 PM
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Reps: 9,225,028,030,477,976 (power: 9,225,028,030,485) | | Originally Posted by jon914 Do you mean the verse in John10:30 "I and the father are one" How about John14:9? When Phillip ask christ if He would just show them the Father. and Jesus said basicly that you are speaking to Him. The trinity does not fit real good into our brains and it is difficult to understand. The Jew knew what Jesus ment in John10:30, because in the next verse they pick up stones. Now is the question is Christ and the father the same being or are they one in thought? I don't think it is really possibe to seperate the trinity, but if you look closely at the workings of the Holy spirit you will see that Jesus had to leave before the Spirit would come. There never seems to be two parts of the trinity on earth at the same time. John914
The whole Trinity were present at Jesus' baptism. |
22nd June 2006, 03:24 PM
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Reps: 9,225,028,030,477,976 (power: 9,225,028,030,485) | | Originally Posted by thereselittleflower This is a must read regarding the RIGHT understanding of the Trinity The Creed of Athanasius
The Athanasian Creed is that latest of the ecumenical creeds, dating back to the early dark ages. Though seldom used in worship, it is one of the clearest definitions of the Trinity and the incarnation ever written.
http://www.holybible.com/resources/athanasius_creed.htm
Read through the above link.
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Thanks 4 the link. |
22nd June 2006, 04:00 PM
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It says it here:
"and we beheld his glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father" Jn 1:14 This word para preceded by the Son's begottenness indicates a sharing of the same eternal nature or substance as the Father. |
22nd June 2006, 05:29 PM
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Reps: 3,004,859 (power: 3,014) | | | Well if I remember correctly one of the problems they had at the council of Nicea was using a word that they couldn't find in scripture to define the relationship of the Trinity with the Father and the Logos (homousia-sorry if I mispelled it doing this from memory). O well somethings I will never understand so I read those people who were much smarter than I am and I listen to the voice of the God and ask him to lead and guide me into truth. |
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22nd June 2006, 10:53 PM
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Reps: 482,255,127,068,893,376 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by oneshot012 Well if I remember correctly one of the problems they had at the council of Nicea was using a word that they couldn't find in scripture to define the relationship of the Trinity with the Father and the Logos (homousia-sorry if I mispelled it doing this from memory). O well somethings I will never understand so I read those people who were much smarter than I am and I listen to the voice of the God and ask him to lead and guide me into truth.
A problem?  Since when are we limited to words that appear in scripture? Languages are vast, and we need words to help us understand what is in scripture. If what was in scripture was sufficient to help us clearly understand the Trinity, we would not have needed such words, and we would not have needed the Council of Nicea.
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