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23rd June 2006, 10:26 AM
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Reps: 7,688 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by thereselittleflower Do you mean, where does the bible say Godthe Father and God the Son are one in being, one in substance?
It doesn't. 
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23rd June 2006, 10:32 AM
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"and we beheld his glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father" Jn 1:14 This word para preceded by the Son's begottenness indicates a sharing of the same eternal nature or substance as the Father.
Also, in the term, "son of", was the connotation of being of the exact same substance, so when Jesus told the Jews that God was His Father, and was called "Son of God", they knew precisely what He meant, of being of the exact same substance or essence as God the Father.
Those who say the Bible does not say that Jesus is of the exact same substance as the Father, simply have not learned how to read the Scriptures for all they are worth. |
23rd June 2006, 10:40 AM
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What is in Scripture is fully sufficient. Where other words, from other languages enter into the picture is in conveying the meaning conveyed by various writing styles, and explanations of idiomatic language.
Nicea was neccessary to dispel heretical meanings poured into those words, and to correct an earlier mistake of a prior use of "homoiusios" as applied to the Deity of Christ being "of the Father". |
23rd June 2006, 10:44 AM
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Reps: 482,255,127,068,893,376 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Augustine_Was_Calvinist That is a common misconception.
Show me where it "says" . . ie the statement, that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are one in essence.
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23rd June 2006, 10:46 AM
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Reps: 482,255,127,068,893,376 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Augustine_Was_Calvinist Also, in the term, "son of", was the connotation of being of the exact same substance, so when Jesus told the Jews that God was His Father, and was called "Son of God", they knew precisely what He meant, of being of the exact same substance or essence as God the Father.
Those who say the Bible does not say that Jesus is of the exact same substance as the Father, simply have not learned how to read the Scriptures for all they are worth.
Scripture doesn't state it . . it implies it.
Where does the scripture state that the Holy Spirit is of the same substance as God the Father?
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23rd June 2006, 10:57 AM
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That has already been done.
See the prior posts.  |
23rd June 2006, 11:00 AM
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No, Scripture states it, but you have to understand what Scripture is saying. Where does the scripture state that the Holy Spirit is of the same substance as God the Father?
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Answered already.
See prior posts. |
23rd June 2006, 11:00 AM
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See the prior posts.
AWC . . do you understand what the word " statement" means?
Where is the statement?
It is not in one of the other posts in this thread.
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23rd June 2006, 11:09 AM
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It is not in one of the other posts in this thread.
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That has already been answered.
I suggest you reread the answers, very slowly for comprehension.
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Reps: 482,255,127,068,893,376 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Augustine_Was_Calvinist No, Scripture states it, but you have to understand what Scripture is saying.
Again, it appears you are not using the word "statement" in its proper sense, so I feel I must ask for the sake of clarity, do you understand what the word "Statement" means? I ask as it seems that you are not understanding what I am saying is not found in scripture and so we are not communicating. STATE, v.t.
1. To set; to settle. [See Stated.]
2. To express the particulars of any thing verbally; to represent fully in words; to narrate; to recite. The witnesses stated all the circumstances of the transaction. They are enjoined to state all the particulars. It is the business of the advocate to state the whole case. Let the question be fairly stated.
No AWC . . you have not provided any "STATEMENTS" from scripture . .
You have not provided anything that states ALL the particulrs, the WHOLE case. .
You have only supplied what implies the Trinity, not anything that STATES it.
Two different things . . .
No .. you have yet to show where such statements exist in the bible.
Prior posts do not tell me where to find such statements in scripture.
You are assuming facts not in evidence, so your response is logically invlid.
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