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23rd June 2006, 01:23 PM
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Reps: 261 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by MormonFriend My observation is that the emphasis on "study" the bible is greater than the emphasis on "living" the bible. The understanding that is in question comes naturally from the result of living what we learn. Too many thrive on the attention and status of being "in the know", and miss the mark entirely.
The world's view and interpretation of intelligence is transformed into a quotia, an IQ. The rewards and emphasis for attention goes to straight-A people, which has no means of sifting out greed. Look what happens when they gain leadership and authority.
I think the Lord's standard for intelligence is the ability for a person to use whatever knowledge he has, small or great, in a way that maintains harmony and peace among the social structure of fellow man. Will not heaven be a social structure of some form? Is life not a means to sort out those who will abide and live the laws of God?
True understanding comes from revelation by the Holy Ghost. The bible has information, but the deciphering and understanding it's powers and principles are meant only for the eyes that can see, the ears that hear, and the heart that perceives. Hence, so many interpretations of the Bible, because so many do so without the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and truth is hid from the greedy, until such dross is removed by the refiner's fire, if they will endure.
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23rd June 2006, 01:39 PM
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Reps: 3,738,033,134,803 (power: 3,738,033,147) | | Originally Posted by Swart Ya gotta watch out for that DHMO! 
That stuff sounds worse that Iocain powder, which we all know comes from Australia! ("I'd bet my life on it".)
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23rd June 2006, 02:03 PM
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Reps: 3,738,033,134,803 (power: 3,738,033,147) | | Originally Posted by urbanlemur2005 Personaly, I believe that studying the Bible and living the Bible go hand in hand, I don't think one is more important than the other. ... Absolutely in agreement Originally Posted by urbanlemur2005 If you know the Word, your desire is then to live it; if you are living it day to day, your desire to learn increases more as you are filled with the joy of the Lord. That is the idealistic condition that God would have for us, but it is not the reality among the masses.
Since we are being proved by God, there must be some underlying differences that cause us to perform differently. I attribute those underlying differences to be the "dross" that must be removed by the Refiner. Such dross sprouts up in each individual as greed, pride, selfishness, ... etc. The Refiner uses heat, very very hot, to refine us. That is known as trials and suffering on our part. Many of us will not endure it and look for another way. Free will enables us to avoid the Refiner's fire.
When people read the Word of God, it first testifies to them that these negative attributes must be changed, which requires a great deal of attention and dedication, ... sacrifices, if you will. Too many people are hardened and will not change, so they intellectually (by the world's definition) alter the interpretation in a way that changes the spirit and intent of God's Word. We best know that as something called rationalization. They deceive themselves, and many others, and the Spirit withdraws from them, whereas the rest of the Word of God is left to their own natural underststanding.
This is why there are so many different denominations, each with a particular take on what the Word of God means, ..... to them.
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23rd June 2006, 08:44 PM
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Reps: 20,703,880,181,899 (power: 20,703,880,195) | | Originally Posted by MormonFriend That stuff sounds worse that Iocain powder, which we all know comes from Australia! ("I'd bet my life on it".)
You can build up an immunity to Iocain powder. However, I find that I am functionally dependent upon DHMO. I find it hard to go more than 24 hours without a dose.
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24th June 2006, 12:59 AM
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Reps: 3,738,033,134,803 (power: 3,738,033,147) | | Originally Posted by Swart You can build up an immunity to Iocain powder. . . .
If you can wait 5 years. If not, is Miracle Max still in business?
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24th June 2006, 01:18 AM
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Reps: 20,703,880,181,899 (power: 20,703,880,195) | | Originally Posted by MormonFriend If you can wait 5 years. If not, is Miracle Max still in business?
Nahhh! He's been replaced by Marvellous Max aka MarvMax. Inconceivable!
You keep using that word. I no think it means what you think it means.
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24th June 2006, 03:34 AM
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Reps: 3,738,033,134,803 (power: 3,738,033,147) | | Originally Posted by Swart Nahhh! He's been replaced by Marvellous Max aka MarvMax. Inconceivable! You keep using that word. I no think it means what you think it means.
When our kids were young, we wore out two VCR tapes of that movie, and now we stil watch the DVD once or twice a year. "Anybody want a peanut?"
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24th June 2006, 07:29 AM
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Reps: 69,818,255,088,841,400 (power: 69,818,255,088,865) | | Originally Posted by MormonFriend There are two influences that lead our thoughts, the Holy Spirit, and that false angel of light. This is what I surmise when I read the scriptures. Our daily activities, choices and thoughts (which always convert to actions eventually) are the self diagnostic means to know which Spirit/spirit we attune ourselves to. If our desires and passions take us to areas that are prohibited as a standard in scripture, then the the same spirit that rules these thoughts can also influence our understanding to error.
The Psalmist put it very straight forward when he said:
97 O how love I thy law! it is my meditation all the day.
98 Thou through thy commandments hast made me wiser than mine enemies: for they are ever with me.
99 I have more understanding than all my teachers: for thy testimonies are my meditation.
100 I understand more than the ancients, because I keep thy precepts.
101 I have refrained my feet from every evil way, that I might keep thy word.
102 I have not departed from thy judgments: for thou hast taught me.
103 How sweet are thy words unto my taste! yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth!
104 Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.
(Psalms 119:97 - 104)
The greatest obstacle to understanding the things of God occured when people got the notion that repentance is not necessary for salvation, because it is a work. Job teaches us that to depart from evil equates to understanding. Satan does not want us to repent because it keeps us in blindness.
God has sorted it out for us. We just need to develop the eyes to see, the ears to hear, and the hearts to perceive. Most here believe that I am deceived in Mormonism. If so, then it would be because of my failure to comply with the correct principles stated above, principles that are set forth in scripture.
Perhaps it is well to remember what God's purpose is for all those who desire His greatest blessings. ¶ Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no.
(Exodus16:4)
That proving pertains to you and me, just as much as it did to the Israelites. Our understanding grows as we prove trustworthy to receive.
This is my contribution to the topic, not a preachy sermon. If my approach and view is not harmonious to God's Word, please respond.
The natural man can't receive the things of God. He must be born again. Being born again is a work of God not of man.
1 Corinthians 2
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1 Corinthians 1
30 But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption,
31 that, just as it is written, Let him who boasts, boast in the Lord.
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Salvation is worth working for. It is worth a man's going round the world on his hands and knees, climbing its mountains, crossing its valleys, swimming its rivers, going through all manner of hardship in order to attain it. But we do not get it in that way. It is to him who believes.
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