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Originally Posted by gennfamily
I do not see this question anywhere else. I see quite a bit of people believing what they want to believe despite clear cut scripture. I am hoping to get some Scripturally sound perspective on this from spiritually mature Christians. I keep coming up against "sin wilfully after receiving a knowledge of the truth, and there be no sacrifice for sins left, and we come under a certain fearful expectation of judgement, and fiery indignation which will devour the advesaries of God" (Heb 10:26-27)
So if a person is a Christian but struggles and falls away even though they know there is a God, does this Scripture stand as the bottom line despite anything after that time? Does that also mean that a seemingly succesful reunion with the Lord such as happens with 12 step or other recovery and counseling programs is nothing but self-delusion?


Sorry I can't get into it exstensively, I'll summerize it as basic as I can. If you are a true christian ( if your faith is real ) God will forgive your backsliding. If your faith wasn't genuine then backsliding isn't forgiven.

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What actually is backslidding?

It seems to me that sin is turning away from God, so all sin is backslidding or all backslidding is sin?
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Originally Posted by Gal328
Sorry I can't get into it exstensively, I'll summerize it as basic as I can. If you are a true christian ( if your faith is real ) God will forgive your backsliding. If your faith wasn't genuine then backsliding isn't forgiven.

my 2 cents
if your faith wasn't genuine what would you be backsliding from???

God's forgiveness is available to all who have a repentant heart. We all fall short of the glory of God...there is a difference, i believe, between struggling with sin and willing to sin. Even Paul stated "Thank God! The answer is in Jesus Christ our Lord. So you see how it is: In my mind I really want to obey God's law, but because of my sinful nature I am a slave to sin." (Rom 7:25).
Paul himself knowing that as a follower of Christ we are called to live a life that is holy and pleasing to the Lord knew that we are capable of sinning. Again and again. I myself have been struggling with a particular sin for years, I don't want to do it but sometimes I find myself doing it...it's not that I wilfully do it, in my heart it's not something that I want to hold on to...and it's very easy to say "just let it go" becoz it's a habit that I need to change.
Have I backslidden? What is it to backslide? To stray from the faith? I can't say that I have, what I can say is my sin whether it be backsliding or not seperates me from God and unless I confess and come clean that seperation will always be a hinderance when I want to be near to God.
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If God can't forgive backsliding, then he isn't all-powerful. If he can't forgive backsliding then he doesn't really love us as much as he says he does. If he can't forgive backsliding then Jesus's sacrifice wasn't enough. If that's the case, then God is sadistic and cynical for sending his only Son to die when it would really pay for all sins. I could quote Scripture but I think this question can be thought through logically based on what we know about God.
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Originally Posted by Gal328
Sorry I can't get into it exstensively, I'll summerize it as basic as I can. If you are a true christian ( if your faith is real ) God will forgive your backsliding. If your faith wasn't genuine then backsliding isn't forgiven.

my 2 cents
Is your position that a true Christian - after being saved (as it were) - is not capable of sin?
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The scripture says in

1 John2:1

My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.

It is also written that Jesus always lives to intercede for us.

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Backsliding is not the unforgiveablwe sin against the Holy Spirit, so of course it can be forgiven.

Otherwise, why did Jesus die?
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Originally Posted by Maccie
Backsliding is not the unforgiveablwe sin against the Holy Spirit, so of course it can be forgiven.

Otherwise, why did Jesus die?
what is the unforgiveable sin? I've never heard a unanimous opinion on this.
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Originally Posted by gennfamily
what is the unforgiveable sin? I've never heard a unanimous opinion on this.
I've heard various answers on it but I tend to think that it is a final and definitive NO to God. It is unforgiveable because in so doing you are forsaking yourself and rejecting forgiveness...
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