Biblical Stories that Support Evolutionary Science

Jerry Smith · #21 26th December 2002, 10:15 PM

Eph - it appears you have been badly misled on a number of issues. You might want to first study how melanism is inherited. You can't run skin color through a prism the way you might a beam of white light in order to get a spectrum.

You might then want to examine your source about the state of the theory of evolution in scientific circles. Far from being abandoned, it is increasingly the bedrock - indeed one of the three pillars of - modern biology. If you find what seems to be a quote from a scientist "distancing themselves" from it, just scratch the surface and you will find:

1) a creationist masquerading as a scientist
2) a misquote, or
3) a quote from a century or more ago.

Take some time to read the various threads here. Better yet, spend a week browsing
http://www.talkorigins.org

Get informed - it will help you discover the facts about science, and possibly more importantly, help you discover that your sources are making their money by decieving those who aren't strongly educated in the sciences.

MSBS · #22 27th December 2002, 03:45 AM

Originally posted by EPHRIAM777
Why..? Evolution is based on what's known as "circular reasoning"...It isn't scientific..it was and IS still a theory...That with the increased knowledge of Genetics..and DNA...is a proven fallicy...!

Monkey's for example can have 98 persent of our DNA match...but unless it's 100% it's a total wash out..!

Evolution is just a bad mistake.....it's not even a lie anymore...! It's only taught today by those who would be best compared to people 1000 yrs ago teaching the world was flat....Old outdated once believed to be true data...still pushed by the "hard flat earthers" of Evolution...!

The best Scientists are NOW distancing themselves from it because of breakthroughs in DNA and Genitic's...Your more apt to be struck by lightning 1 million times in a row AND then turn into a monkey..than you are to evolve into one...from anything else...!

Sorry to burst your bubble...!

This is, without a doubt, the funniest most uniformed rant I have seen yet. I particularly enjoyed your misunderstanding of "Genetic's". Keep 'em coming.

Smilin · #23 27th December 2002, 09:43 AM

Originally posted by LadyShea
He's asking for the Biblical answers or explanations of what we see today...I am going to guess someone brings up the Tower of Babel and says it separated the races as well as the languages.

At the Tower of Babel, the bible only states men were seperated by different languages...nothing is mentioned about the creation of different races.

Smilin · #24 27th December 2002, 09:46 AM

Originally posted by seebs
I think Smilin's point is that "these people changed over time in order to adapt to the environments they live in" is a *perfect* example of evolution, and we have no other explanation.

Exactly the point I'm driving at Seebs.  Different races have developed over time due to continental seperation.  Only evolution can explain the diversity of races from one original male and female.

Smilin · #25 27th December 2002, 01:28 PM

Originally posted by JesusServant
I can only explain this Biblically, and I don't think that's what you're looking for. As a matter of fact, I'm never sure what you're looking for Smilin

Actually, that's exactly what I'm asking for.  Explain the diverse cultures from one pair of common ancestors, biblically.  The only explanation I see is that humans evolved into the different races, much the same way that new breeds of horses, cats, dogs have been developed.  That is to say, selective breeding, or in the case of the human race, continental isolation over the centuries.

How else can you explain it?

Smilin · #26 27th December 2002, 01:34 PM

Originally posted by lucaspa
The caution to do your own research applies here as well.  Creationists did account for races before Darwin published Origin and since.  You might not agree with the accounts (I don't), but they do exist. In brief, the races are different "kinds" and were created as different "kinds". 
 

Thanks for the further info on the publications.  I take your position and totally disagree as well, (based upon a minimal scan of the publications you referenced.)  I'd classify them as pure speculation, with no biblical basis.  I view their 'theories' with the same skepticism as I view recent publications that claim God created the Great Pyramid, and the 'Mathematical Proof Of God's Existance'.

My firm stance is that the diversification among humans is evidence of evolution if we are to accept that all mankind descended from Adam and Eve, or either Noah and his family.

Smilin · #27 27th December 2002, 01:59 PM

Originally posted by EPHRIAM777

Eph writes..

How do you explain LIGHT being divided by a PRISM and showing the different colors it's really made up of...?? People as the intermarriages took place...'divided " into different colors...just as LIGHT when it is divided or broken down...from it's original perfect state...!

As people began to "divide" the gene pool again and agin..."different colors were produced..!

sorry Eph, but the properties of light and genetics are two totally different fields.  You're comparing apples to oranges.  Also, by your own statements as people began to 'divide' the gene pool, or more appropriately 'genetic selection and adaptation', different colors or races were produced.  Guess what?  You just agreed with what evolutionary science states.  This is exactly how new breeds of animals are produced in our current world.  (selective reproduction)

Originally posted by EPHRIAM777
Eph replies...

RE read GEN 6...Clearer would be Noah..and his wife ( race unknown )...and Noah's 3 sons..( half Noah half..who knows )...and the 3 wives of Noah's sons...that could have been of different race...So we have on the ark..5 possible races..Noah..His wife...and 3 other wives..= 5...PLUS 3 sons of Noah that could have been of MIXED race...AND as Gen 6:19 says at least 2 of ALL flesh went into the ark..Gen 6:4 says "giants" lived back then AND afterwards...So we're up to a bunch of people and giants on that ark...(( remember David slew Goliath wayyy after the ark landed )...

Again, you agree (assuming all mankind descended from Noah and his family, and a few giants thrown in now) that all races evolved from one common ancestory.  But I'm curious now...which son would be responsible for the Asian descendants, which son would be responsible for the African descendants, and which son would be responsible for the European descendants?

Originally posted by EPHRIAM777
Eph writes...

I agree with it..all pure HUMANS are from Noah..( not along with or including the wives or sons that were on the ark )...thru Adam...to be more precise..!

Again I'm curious, what would fall under the classification of 'impure' humans... and any scientific publications you can reference to support that?

Originally posted by EPHRIAM777
Why..? Evolution is based on what's known as "circular reasoning"...It isn't scientific..it was and IS still a theory...That with the increased knowledge of Genetics..and DNA...is a proven fallicy...!

Sorry again eph, but you're wrong.  If Evolutionary Science is a proven fallicy, then you have to explain the 77,000 + species of plants that have evolved thru hybridization.  (Hybridization is part of Evolutionary Science)

Originally posted by EPHRIAM777

Monkey's for example can have 98 persent of our DNA match...but unless it's 100% it's a total wash out..!

So? Mice and humans share 99% the same genetics, reference: http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science...ome/index.html

This only demonstrates the vast changes that just a couple hundred of genetic differences make.

Originally posted by EPHRIAM777

The best Scientists are NOW distancing themselves from it because of breakthroughs in DNA and Genitic's...Your more apt to be struck by lightning 1 million times in a row AND then turn into a monkey..than you are to evolve into one...from anything else...!

Sorry to burst your bubble...!

1. Which scientists? names and references please....

2.  Evolutionary Science has never claimed we can (or will) evolve into a monkey.

3.  My bubble hasn't been burst... you've basically agreed with my original premise

Athlon4all · #28 27th December 2002, 02:52 PM

Please explain how so many races exist today... (without using evolution)

The Tower of Babel. The LORD confused their languages, and groups of people with a common language migrated to seperate areas and they would not have contact for a long time with other men (ie like to Africa, North America, Europe, Australia, etc). Adam and Eve had the highest amount of genetic information, but as these groups of people migrated and mated with each other and similar descendants repeatedly (like family members mating). Genetic info is lost, and they develop "race traits"

LadyShea · #29 27th December 2002, 04:18 PM

See I told you someone would bring up the Tower of Babel...pay up on my bet Smilin

Smilin · #30 27th December 2002, 05:12 PM

Originally posted by Athlon4all
The Tower of Babel. The LORD confused their languages, and groups of people with a common language migrated to seperate areas and they would not have contact for a long time with other men (ie like to Africa, North America, Europe, Australia, etc). Adam and Eve had the highest amount of genetic information, but as these groups of people migrated and mated with each other and similar descendants repeatedly (like family members mating). Genetic info is lost, and they develop "race traits"

My friend, your explanation is simply Evolutionary Science. 

So we're in agreement.  Evolution can only explain the different races from a single pair ancester parent.