Unorthodox TheologyA forum to discuss/debate theological doctrines not accepted by mainstream evangelical Christianity (eg. Full Preterism, Unitarianism)
the belief that rejects the trinity, but still recognizes the deity of Jesus Christ.Can this be considered heretical?
Yep.
__________________ "when families shall be disrupted at the caprice of either party, and the children scattered as foundlings from their hearthstone,- it requires no wisdom to see that a race of sons will be reared nearer akin to devils than to men. In the hands of such a bastard progeny, without discipline, without homes, without a God, the last remains of social order will speedily perish, and society will be overwhelmed in savage anarchy." R L Dabney
Actually, there are several Christian demoninations who do not believe in the Trinity.
If they don't believe in the Trinity then they don't believe in the creeds of the Church. If you they don't believe what Christians believe, how could they be described as Christian?
I believe that all Christians shoould be open minded to other denominations.
2+2 may sometimes = 86, right? Open mindedness demands it.
__________________ "when families shall be disrupted at the caprice of either party, and the children scattered as foundlings from their hearthstone,- it requires no wisdom to see that a race of sons will be reared nearer akin to devils than to men. In the hands of such a bastard progeny, without discipline, without homes, without a God, the last remains of social order will speedily perish, and society will be overwhelmed in savage anarchy." R L Dabney
More often it's nonexistent catechesis. That's why so many protestant churches turn out so many theological ignoramuses.
__________________ "when families shall be disrupted at the caprice of either party, and the children scattered as foundlings from their hearthstone,- it requires no wisdom to see that a race of sons will be reared nearer akin to devils than to men. In the hands of such a bastard progeny, without discipline, without homes, without a God, the last remains of social order will speedily perish, and society will be overwhelmed in savage anarchy." R L Dabney
This doesn't mean there aren't Christians around who do not know this definition (shame on their churches for poor catechesis!), but a church which would deny it has placed itself outside the Church Catholic.
This is simply belief in the idea of Christ without knowing a damned thing about Him. Something tells me that this is not so much of an issue of poor catechesis but an issue of non-Christian (and heretical) churches trying to "play Christian."
When you say "Nicene Creed" and they say "Waddat, I believe in Jesus" you know you've found them....
God will only pardon you of divine punishment ("justification") if you have Christian faith. Part of Christian faith is a believe in the Nicene Creed statement of the Trinity.
If a person does not believe in the Trinity, God will requite destruction upon a person as a penalty for their violation of his law. God shall not forgive them, but will ruin them, as the Holy Scriptures teach:
Hebrews 2:1-4 For this reason we must pay much closer attention to what we have heard, lest we drift away from it. For if the word spoken through angels proved unalterable, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompense, how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation?
Romans 11:20-22 (New International Version) Branches were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either. Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.
God shall treat a non-Trinitarian "Christian" as he shall treat a non-believer.
Revelation 14:19-20 (New International Version) The angel swung his sickle on the earth, gathered its grapes and threw them into the great winepress of God's wrath. They were trampled in the winepress outside the city, and blood flowed out of the press, rising as high as the horses' bridles for a distance of 1,600 stadia.
Anyway Trinity has a weak NT support in comparison to other doctrines. Only a few verses that can be interpreted differently or omitted bc are later intepolations.
I firmly believe Trinity, but bc it is teached by the Tradition (and it is enough for me).
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Sola Scriptura has hindered rather than helped the understanding of Christianity
First of all Jesus is God which has nothing to do with the trinity.
Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: Mark 12:29
And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: Galatians 3:20
Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
If I was an Israelite or a Jew I would not be a Trinitarian I would be a monotheist and God does not change. I do believe our understanding of him should always be changing as he opens our eyes to the new wine of the spirit and not the old wine of tradition. Like I told you I have no problem with the fact that God did manifest him self in a triune way. “God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit”; This might seem sweet music to a Trinitarian but no where in the Bible can you find God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. The Bible once and only once did mention three manifestations in Matt. 28: 1.Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Now both of this idealism I mentioned above speaks of a belief in the Godhead. The problem is the word godhead comes from the word Greek word “theios”, Strong’s 2304 theios (thi'-os); from 2316; godlike (neuter as noun, divinity):
So what the above is showing me the word “Godhead” was placed in the Bible by King James and is actually a bad translation which supported the bias of the translations.
The word “person” or Persons” is another word that was added by theologians and cannot be found anywhere in the Bible when it comes to this so called “Godhead”.
Isa. 9:6 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
This verse is speaking of the son; or is it speaking of the Father. Actually it is speaking of both with no fragmenting the divinity into a doctrine.
Actually, there are several Christian demoninations who do not believe in the Trinity. An example is several branches of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. ...
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